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2017-09-12 02:07:37 UTC  

we've had the knowledge of our own existance for thousands of years

2017-09-12 02:07:51 UTC  

why do you think that it hasn't become destructive yet

2017-09-12 02:09:49 UTC  

We have had the safety net of religion for thousands of years. But only recently has man become objective and rational enough as to realise the shortcomings of mythological explanations. And not even yet on a large scale, most humans still believe in fairy tales, which is the only thing between humanity and the abyss.

2017-09-12 02:11:01 UTC  

you act like the belief in "fairy tales" is a detrimental thing for human development

2017-09-12 02:11:20 UTC  

atheism has no tradition

2017-09-12 02:12:11 UTC  

Well, here's why. Sure, religion keeps you from existential crisis, but it also keeps you irrational. If you want humans to develop they have to be rational, and this is incompatible with religion without being schizophrenic.

2017-09-12 02:13:01 UTC  

It doesn't keep you irrational at all, where do you get this

2017-09-12 02:13:10 UTC  

Innovations is haulted by intellectual luddites called 'devout religious people'.

2017-09-12 02:13:28 UTC  

If you believe in God, you believe it has rational basis.

2017-09-12 02:13:37 UTC  

to describe religion as oppressive you'd logically apply the same to all human culture

2017-09-12 02:13:39 UTC  

You believe that God has explanatory power.

2017-09-12 02:13:55 UTC  

You believe that God causes you to travel into the afterlife.

2017-09-12 02:14:24 UTC  

It is no co-incidence that society has been moving into a secular post-cultural mode.

2017-09-12 02:14:24 UTC  

The vast masses of people dont need to be rational in the scientific sense

2017-09-12 02:14:41 UTC  

The masses are not naturally atheistic

2017-09-12 02:14:51 UTC  

Yeah, the masses of people don't need to be, but regardless religion is still irrational

2017-09-12 02:15:07 UTC  

It's broken down to having zero evidence, and purely being based upon "faith"

2017-09-12 02:15:29 UTC  

What doesn't have evidence?

2017-09-12 02:15:48 UTC  

God, afterlife, the whole bit...

2017-09-12 02:16:09 UTC  

Theism?

2017-09-12 02:16:23 UTC  

I think theism is the result of psychological evolution

2017-09-12 02:16:30 UTC  

Sure.

2017-09-12 02:16:47 UTC  

basically the amalgamation of the truest of all values

2017-09-12 02:16:57 UTC  

humans have a tendency towards hierarchy

2017-09-12 02:17:03 UTC  

I'm not talking about theism, I'm talking about religion

2017-09-12 02:17:15 UTC  

But you are making empirical claims based on psychology. These things misfire all the time.

2017-09-12 02:17:18 UTC  

humans cannot feel the same towards equals as they do to a divine power

2017-09-12 02:17:21 UTC  

define religion

2017-09-12 02:17:31 UTC  
2017-09-12 02:18:12 UTC  

Have you heard of 'phantom limbs', where amputees still feel sensations as if they still had their limb?

2017-09-12 02:18:29 UTC  

The body is misfiring, even though it evolved this way.

2017-09-12 02:18:56 UTC  

Just because psychology evolved a certain way does not mean it exists empirically.

2017-09-12 02:19:22 UTC  

There a plenty of examples in psychology of sensory illusions.

2017-09-12 02:19:48 UTC  

There are misfires but this doesn't mean that the reaction itself has no evolutionary purpose

2017-09-12 02:20:17 UTC  

Again, you are confusing subjective purpose with objective empirical claims.

2017-09-12 02:20:18 UTC  

also, this relies on empirical observation, and religion isn't emperical for most people

2017-09-12 02:20:25 UTC  

Yes it is.

2017-09-12 02:20:26 UTC  

unless they have an experience like that

2017-09-12 02:20:41 UTC  

People literally think God will send them to Heaven. That's an empirical claim.

2017-09-12 02:21:12 UTC  

Which there is no evidence for.

2017-09-12 02:21:22 UTC  

Yes it is.