@Ventruvi different types of nationalists

though id argue you cant be individualist and nationalist

>I'm nazbol without the "naz"

The why's are to debate but yeah, some people are too brainwashed to do anything productive with facts

@PunishedMuskovy the entire individualist, collectivist dichotomy is retarded

Yeah really

Individualism is about respect for individual rights, not necessarily the complete atomization of society

Im trying to invite some gommie internationalist and a separatist

people bring up "collectivist" when people argue on making pragmatic policies based on statistics

i think they'd both pick well at the idea of nationhood

What are you gay?

>hurr u should meet more <insert minority here>

I’ve met plenty of minorities and all it does is confirm my biases

Weird how that works out

60 members already

Noice

epic

There's gommie one

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@Xinyue Welcome, please check out the <#507040801860091914>

eyy @Doctor Anon

he left

?????/

why tho

I guess he saw Euro and campodin, but that might not even have been it

I was talking to him in DMs telling him to join

maybe was just checking it out

he doesnt stay in many servers for long

gamers rise up

Ok, so here’s my two cents on the question of the day. The role of the state in society should be roughly the following:

a) ensure the existence of the proletarian dictatorship
b) enforce the constitution and the rights and duties enshrined therein
c) provide reasonable defence capability against any existential threats
d) perform necessary tasks and initiatives that go beyond the ability of non-state actors to perform

And not anything beyond this.

So basically kill people

kek

proles,MOP,no state

and im over here like

i just wanna praise jesus

ew

Plebs can't rule

theocracy is based gommie

I could settle for ChristCom tbh, but *only* if there's nothing else 😁

Being an Excommunicated Christian like a chad

in all seriousness tho

imagine being a christian in 2018

me no gets it

Gay

Hello

both the unironic and the cultural Christians elude my ability to understand as to why they do it

There's a lot to Christianity that needs deep thinking, but also a lot that doesn't

I mean I wouldn't rally Europe behind Christianity, it'd be much preferable to rally it behind Stoicism imo but eh

Christianity is woefully inadequate for the post 19th century world outlook, and I think the Church has been fighting a losing battle on that front

Are you an atheist?

*kind of.* probably in the sense that you might consider it. i think of myself as a naturalistic pantheist, which in the final analysis is basically just a glorified atheism

i don't believe in anything beyond this material universe

That is just so gay

very, very homosexual, no doubt

Pagang rise up

Pagans are just atheists

hot take

hot coz it's true

I'm not getting into this discussion for what, the 4th time? It's obviously bait

how can facts be <:bait:520002653439262721>

Neo-Pagans are just animists who don't know anything about Paganism

no but really guys, being an adherent of 4,000 year old tribal desert death cult is not good optics, the West should discard Christianity altogether

100%

In favor of what, though?

We need a God Emperor

He he optics

I am an atheist, too

Dialectical Materialism.

😁

nah, I have a few historical picks for that. Stoicism should do well

>materialism

I was thinking something more along the lines of white Juche

🤢

materialism is wonderful

esp. the dialectical/historical kind 😉

capitalism is materialist

^

Into trash it goes

capitalism doesn't have an ontology really

its]

materialist

so its not really materialist

^^^

it's gay

and materialist

no, no

death to capitalism

there's nothing inherently materialist about capitalism

Well

allow me to prove you wrong

1. It's gay
2. it's gay

from those two points

we can arrive at the following conclusion:

It's materialist

Facts

and logic

Wew, communist faggot OWNED by FACTS and LOGIC

mfw on suicide watch

oof

communist faggot?

are you

a faggot?

probably

i dont even want to know

does he like other peepee despite having his own peepee

the MAIN POINT IS

ur gay

Christianity is fake

and gay

Commies are also materialistic just other way around

Somebody call the Nazbol from trc

He has some hot takes on this

"Homosexuality is bourgeoise degeneracy"

did it come from the bourgeoisie or is it performed by porkies

Just briefly on the capitalism is not materialist thing. Materialism is a philosophical position about the existence and nature of the objective world - Marxism takes a staunchly materialist stance on this (that is to say, it affirms its existence and its position as primary to consciousness and not the other way around). Capitalism, however, I think doesn't have this kind of stance. This is what I mean when I say that capitalism isn't inherently materialist.

PORKY IS PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER

THAT TURN THE FRICKIN PROLES GAY

that may actually explain the amounts of revisionists

Materialism is misused

alot

along with Corporatism

@CrowGoCaw what? didnt you know

and Libertarianism

that when the state touches the market

its corporatist?

and thus nawt tru cappyism

its not tru cappytism

cautism

or people think it means when corporations control everything

yknow sometimes i do think of abandoning christianity

because of how many brainlet denominations there are

Baptists,Pentecostals,SDA's JW'S, Mormons

all faggots who deserve to die

lmao

so youre thinking of not being christian

because of prots

not prots necessarily

Luther is based

yet you just named 2 prots and several heretical shits that branched off from prots

restorationists

Papists are pretty heretical too

except for maybe sedevacantists

heretical or just cucked

well, putting the words of the church over the scripture and not being sola fide

pretty cucked

Letting man taint a book you think is holy and infallible let alone have any say equal to it is completely heretical

I think I know some servers that can help you

Sola fide is a doctrine that no one had conceived of prior to the reformation. Same with sola scriptura. Was everyone a heretic for 1500 years?

Yeah nothing more cucked than not believing “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28 is not the direct word of god

Also, the ridiculousness of this. You are relying on the wisdom of a man, that is, *you*, and you alone, under this scheme

Our religious beliefs are the same and opposites at the same time, @Xinyue . I'm sure that there is a god, and that it probably is everything. But in knowing that there is a god, I find that nature and the struggle of genes are divine, and must not be stopped. That humanity should keep nature rather untouched and unmodified, but at the same time conquer everything on its way. That the path of war and expansion is the path of righteousness.

I think the most important driving force in a person's life should be truth, because everything else can sort of stem from that

@A. M. Reuces That verse obviously isn’t saying there aren’t any differences between these groups. We aren’t pro-tranny

Sola Fide is based on the words of Paul and is very obvious

Faith is what saves people otherwise Atheists and Muzzies would be in heaven

Would you deport black Catholics @FreshWholeMilk?

And yet no one figured it out for 1500 years?

It was common sense

Would you forbid them from entering your country if thy were fleeing persecution?

Such common sense that no one until Luther figured it out?

Luther put into law what was in hearts for centuries

Any evidence for that?

Hey guys. Post political tests results <:30yoboomer:521380551316209668>

gunna have to do pol compass

again

Those tests are pretty gay

no

The political compass puts me in the authoritarian left even though I’m far to the right

political tests are for fags

@FreshWholeMilk so the council of trent and counter reformation just mean nothing? had the church been right completely they would need to make no changes

@Ventruvi big brain

Lol

I’m not a Papist

Weak brain, full of doubt

@Bearer Of The Curse Well yes, that sounds quite pantheistic of you and, on that front, our views would seem to align. By extension, the struggle of genes - taking place in the literal body of god, in pantheistic frame - could be considered "divine". However, this is vulgar reading in my view. The way I see is that every living being - man, animal, etc. - is in essence an "avatar" (for the lack of a better word) of this pantheistic matter-energy totality. And then the truly divine aspect of it all is creative cooperation and joyful coexistence of these many myriad "avatars" (again, for the lack of a better word).

perfectly balanced, as all things should be

What is life, though?

You aren’t God

Life? Many things. Too many to count or list

You’re just some guy

Are sponges life?

It’s almost as if the metaphysical grounding to the world we give is just there to justify our political beliefs @Bearer Of The Curse @Xinyue

@FreshWholeMilk No man is god of course lol

life is just biological computing

fungi is life, yes

That’s kinda what pantheism implies @CrowGoCaw

no, that's not quite right

Pantheism is faggotry

we'd be aspects of god, not god in its totality

THERES A GOD OF BEDTIMES AND COOKIES OF MILK :)))

Still Satanic

t.Pantheist

where your calculator's purpose is to calculate math problems, biological life's purpose is to reproduce and thrive

so most things that come about life are just addons to assist in reproducing and thriving

and with naturalistic pantheism its literally just scientific view on the universe + some human existential sentimentality, so hardly even that theistic

Ah, so you’re just a fedora tipping atheist

Glad we cleared that up

m'athiest

an issue i see alot in the nonreligious is they do the least scientific thing possible

so its not even a theism

treat science like an absolute

I mean there are many ways to view the universe, one of them is your default atheist position, which denies any kind of divinity, and the other way is to view the universe and the matter-energy totality and life within it as the divine item. I belong to the latter camp. Fedoras or not.

when it is an evergrowing chronicle of human understanding with very few if any absolutes

Are atoms alive? Do you stop at the cellular level?

They try to disprove God’s existence using God’s laws of logic

i'd define life as uh

the ability to reproduce and adapt

Do you have free will?

Life is gaming and complaining about society <:30yoboomer:521380551316209668>

probably not

Free will doesn't exist

Kinda interesting how god would craft laws of logic that disprove himself

Oops

this debate is getting spicy

God certainly isn't necessary consideration in the equation. But neither is him lacking from it.

As for free will, that debate is up in the air. But it would seem like we don't have it.

there's a bunch of hypocrisies in the bible

like how god is all-knowing but doesn't know sin

but 🤷

bible barely makes sense

the bible's over 2000 years old

If you don’t have free will, then you aren’t actually making any of these arguments, your arguments are just a product of random chemical processes. So I win the debate. Thank you

and has been translated several dozen times

Nobody said they were random

I dont even see how that follows

run the communist manifesto through google translate a few times

@FreshWholeMilk that would apply to all of us. so the correct answer is that nobody wins in the subjective sense.

Still not your choice to make the arguments

see if it makes any sense

The bible is big-brainy and you should take god as an egoistic god just to make the direct dialogues viable

bible is for big headed people

okay, what?

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No one chooses to believe anything

Bible makes very little sense indeed. And, say what you say of science, but its findings make a whole lot more sense.

i don't have faith in algebra

His much of the bible have you read?

i like the old testament the most

everything else is kinda like a spinoff

I like the part where god couldn’t beat the canaanites because they had iron chariots

So you're a jew?

oh shit i forgot

the old testement is like jewish isn't it

i'm a agonist if that makes anything better