No that's not the point @AdorableStormtrooper the point is that Cortez etc. are equally dishonest vs. socialism

did you read her mind?

you're attributing intention

"Democratic Socialism" is essentially the position that MOP should be jointly managed but that there can be no compromise on the democratic character of the institutions that facilitate this

that's it

Cortez isn't about this

at all

And they want to get to the Socialist state from the Contemporary Capitalism through Democratic means

I want ms. Courtezan to provide me with a free """""""healthcare""""" and foot massage :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

this is why they want to end capitalism

Yes

Why buy it when the state and give it to you for free

> And they want to get to the Socialist state from the Contemporary Capitalism through Democratic means

....this is literally social democracy

and

they never speak of anything even remotely "socialist" in content

so I discount it as posturing or rhetoric

nope, socdems want Capitalism to stay

illiterate

Socialism is when the government does things

no u

social democracy *emerged* specifically to bring socialism via democratic means

If a person wants to live in society, he is a socialist.

read Kautsky

Literally in the name, people!

~~socialism is when you starve your people and work them to death because muh heavy industry~~

Socialism was quickly abandoned by Soc Dems

read Kautsky, read Lassalle, read socdem authors

theories change over time 😩 @Xinyue

It is about having a process of socialization to remove the dominance of capitalism

just like Marxism has changed.. you are Outdated in all these Spheres

@Xinyue how can an illiterate read a book

🤔

Socialism was abandoned by most socdems in around late 1950s, 1960s and the last holdouts evaporated in 1970s

so it had a good century of socialist content

irrelevant?

social democracy doesn't exist anymore, it melted into neoliberalism.

the point being that these people aren't socialists

It does still exist

Norway for example

well maybe in Venezuela you could say that PSUV is doing oldschool socdem

Norway invented the Chinse model of Capitalism before the Chinese even knew what capitalism was

``Welfare States are Neo Liberal```

- le commie stoopid <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

```As an economic philosophy, neoliberalism emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s as they attempted to trace a so-called "third" or "middle" way between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[24]:14–15 The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which neoliberals mostly blamed on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy. ```

lmao try again Storm

I don't understand lefists

Neoliberals are just communists in denial.

Neoliberalism is literally a revival of classical liberalism and classical economics

But it's funny af to watch then fight amongst themselfs

:comfypepe:

The fall of the orthodox social democracy directly correlates with the emergence of the first neoliberals

I don't think there are any parties, again perhaps except PSUV, that's doing anything even resembling "orthodox/classical social democracy"

The stated goal of the neoliberals was to destroy Keynes and Keynesianism and Social Democracy

@Xinyue they are for state intervention in the economy more than classical liberals.. so they're like socdems?

the current "socdems" yes

very similar

wat

if you haven't noticed that's basically what contemporary social democrats do

just intervention in economy and guidance of the national economy under "social market economic" praxis

Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Bill Clinton wasn't a Social Democrat 😩

Bill Clinton does not count

He was a liberal

NeoLibs =/= SocDems

he was NeoLib

> Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Hmmm. In the orthodox sense? The PSUV, perhaps Corbyn. But in this diluted sense? Perhaps Sanders, Cortez.

Corbyn is similar to a Neo Liberal to you?

I specifically said in the orthodox sense

Corbyn is closer to old labour and Social Democracy

if you can't see the difference between Theresa May and Corbyn idk what to tell ya :/

I tell you that you aren't keeping up, Storm, with what i say

Is Corbyn Orthodox Christian?

I said that the ***emergence of the neoliberals directly correlate with the emergence of the faux social democracy*** - the death of its original socialist content. Corbyn and PSUV bear stronger resemblance to the *orthodox social democracy* that still had genuine socialism as its goal, as opposed to Cortez and Sanders and the rest of the arguably "corporate" quasi-neoliberal socdem types that want to maintain capitalism.

I knew he is Russian at heart.

i don't think you're keeping up with the times man, you use words in their 1920s definition.. just deleting decades of progression in thought of that ideology

```neo liberal socdems```

wah

There HASN'T BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT in the "thought" of Social Democracy. No works like those of Kautsky, Lassalle, etc. exist for the "current" social democrats

the entire ideology is dead

theoretically speaking

Mande tobillo

Ah yes, Mande Toblerone.

tf does that mean^

Good chocolate.

@The Grand Monarchy Of Canada send ankle

*Kebab chocolate @Kazimir Malevich

Imagine a chocolate fountain, but putting kebab meat in it.

I already feel hungrier just thinking about it.

Disgusting

is chocolate and meat actually good?

No.

No

fuck

epic

I hoped it would go through

Your best quote so far.

yes

I'll move to Afghanistan

<:lol:521377935672737792>