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Socialism was quickly abandoned by Soc Dems
read Kautsky, read Lassalle, read socdem authors
theories change over time 😩 @Xinyue
It is about having a process of socialization to remove the dominance of capitalism
just like Marxism has changed.. you are Outdated in all these Spheres
🤔
Socialism was abandoned by most socdems in around late 1950s, 1960s and the last holdouts evaporated in 1970s
so it had a good century of socialist content
irrelevant?
social democracy doesn't exist anymore, it melted into neoliberalism.
the point being that these people aren't socialists
It does still exist
Norway for example
well maybe in Venezuela you could say that PSUV is doing oldschool socdem
Norway invented the Chinse model of Capitalism before the Chinese even knew what capitalism was
``Welfare States are Neo Liberal```
- le commie stoopid <:brainlet:508484031625691156>
```As an economic philosophy, neoliberalism emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s as they attempted to trace a so-called "third" or "middle" way between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[24]:14–15 The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which neoliberals mostly blamed on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy. ```
lmao try again Storm
I don't understand lefists
Neoliberals are just communists in denial.
But it's funny af to watch then fight amongst themselfs
:comfypepe:
The fall of the orthodox social democracy directly correlates with the emergence of the first neoliberals
I don't think there are any parties, again perhaps except PSUV, that's doing anything even resembling "orthodox/classical social democracy"
The stated goal of the neoliberals was to destroy Keynes and Keynesianism and Social Democracy
@Xinyue they are for state intervention in the economy more than classical liberals.. so they're like socdems?
the current "socdems" yes
very similar
wat
if you haven't noticed that's basically what contemporary social democrats do
just intervention in economy and guidance of the national economy under "social market economic" praxis
Name a contemporary Social Democrat
Bill Clinton wasn't a Social Democrat 😩
Bill Clinton does not count
He was a liberal
NeoLibs =/= SocDems
he was NeoLib
> Name a contemporary Social Democrat
Hmmm. In the orthodox sense? The PSUV, perhaps Corbyn. But in this diluted sense? Perhaps Sanders, Cortez.
Corbyn is similar to a Neo Liberal to you?