I don't think there are any parties, again perhaps except PSUV, that's doing anything even resembling "orthodox/classical social democracy"

The stated goal of the neoliberals was to destroy Keynes and Keynesianism and Social Democracy

@Xinyue they are for state intervention in the economy more than classical liberals.. so they're like socdems?

the current "socdems" yes

very similar

wat

if you haven't noticed that's basically what contemporary social democrats do

just intervention in economy and guidance of the national economy under "social market economic" praxis

Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Bill Clinton wasn't a Social Democrat 😩

Bill Clinton does not count

He was a liberal

NeoLibs =/= SocDems

he was NeoLib

> Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Hmmm. In the orthodox sense? The PSUV, perhaps Corbyn. But in this diluted sense? Perhaps Sanders, Cortez.

Corbyn is similar to a Neo Liberal to you?

I specifically said in the orthodox sense

Corbyn is closer to old labour and Social Democracy

if you can't see the difference between Theresa May and Corbyn idk what to tell ya :/

I tell you that you aren't keeping up, Storm, with what i say

Is Corbyn Orthodox Christian?

I said that the ***emergence of the neoliberals directly correlate with the emergence of the faux social democracy*** - the death of its original socialist content. Corbyn and PSUV bear stronger resemblance to the *orthodox social democracy* that still had genuine socialism as its goal, as opposed to Cortez and Sanders and the rest of the arguably "corporate" quasi-neoliberal socdem types that want to maintain capitalism.

I knew he is Russian at heart.

i don't think you're keeping up with the times man, you use words in their 1920s definition.. just deleting decades of progression in thought of that ideology

```neo liberal socdems```

wah

There HASN'T BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT in the "thought" of Social Democracy. No works like those of Kautsky, Lassalle, etc. exist for the "current" social democrats

the entire ideology is dead

theoretically speaking

Mande tobillo

Ah yes, Mande Toblerone.

tf does that mean^

Good chocolate.

@The Grand Monarchy Of Canada send ankle

*Kebab chocolate @Kazimir Malevich

Imagine a chocolate fountain, but putting kebab meat in it.

I already feel hungrier just thinking about it.

Disgusting

is chocolate and meat actually good?