the point being that these people aren't socialists

It does still exist

Norway for example

well maybe in Venezuela you could say that PSUV is doing oldschool socdem

Norway invented the Chinse model of Capitalism before the Chinese even knew what capitalism was

``Welfare States are Neo Liberal```

- le commie stoopid <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

```As an economic philosophy, neoliberalism emerged among European liberal scholars in the 1930s as they attempted to trace a so-called "third" or "middle" way between the conflicting philosophies of classical liberalism and socialist planning.[24]:14–15 The impetus for this development arose from a desire to avoid repeating the economic failures of the early 1930s, which neoliberals mostly blamed on the economic policy of classical liberalism. In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy. ```

lmao try again Storm

I don't understand lefists

Neoliberals are just communists in denial.

Neoliberalism is literally a revival of classical liberalism and classical economics

But it's funny af to watch then fight amongst themselfs

:comfypepe:

The fall of the orthodox social democracy directly correlates with the emergence of the first neoliberals

I don't think there are any parties, again perhaps except PSUV, that's doing anything even resembling "orthodox/classical social democracy"

The stated goal of the neoliberals was to destroy Keynes and Keynesianism and Social Democracy

@Xinyue they are for state intervention in the economy more than classical liberals.. so they're like socdems?

the current "socdems" yes

very similar

wat

if you haven't noticed that's basically what contemporary social democrats do

just intervention in economy and guidance of the national economy under "social market economic" praxis

Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Bill Clinton wasn't a Social Democrat 😩

Bill Clinton does not count

He was a liberal

NeoLibs =/= SocDems

he was NeoLib

> Name a contemporary Social Democrat

Hmmm. In the orthodox sense? The PSUV, perhaps Corbyn. But in this diluted sense? Perhaps Sanders, Cortez.

Corbyn is similar to a Neo Liberal to you?

I specifically said in the orthodox sense

Corbyn is closer to old labour and Social Democracy

if you can't see the difference between Theresa May and Corbyn idk what to tell ya :/

I tell you that you aren't keeping up, Storm, with what i say

Is Corbyn Orthodox Christian?

I said that the ***emergence of the neoliberals directly correlate with the emergence of the faux social democracy*** - the death of its original socialist content. Corbyn and PSUV bear stronger resemblance to the *orthodox social democracy* that still had genuine socialism as its goal, as opposed to Cortez and Sanders and the rest of the arguably "corporate" quasi-neoliberal socdem types that want to maintain capitalism.

I knew he is Russian at heart.

i don't think you're keeping up with the times man, you use words in their 1920s definition.. just deleting decades of progression in thought of that ideology

```neo liberal socdems```

wah

There HASN'T BEEN ANY DEVELOPMENT in the "thought" of Social Democracy. No works like those of Kautsky, Lassalle, etc. exist for the "current" social democrats