calling someone a statist is like a Liberal calling someone a racist, a Scientologist calling someone a Suppressive or a nigger calling a White person a cracker

Thermo is too retarded to comprehend that I love freedom **and** my nation

^

sorry bro if you're threatening the very existence of my nation you're going for a helicopter ride

Was the debate channel removed?

dunno

Imagine having a unipolar hierarchy of values

Did they ever return the gaming voice?

Seems like

You literally said
1. You are a statist.
2. You want to break up monopolies.
3. You want to use govt. to regulate social media companies and prevent them from banning Fascist scum

@Samaritan™

damn bro, really? that sucks @Thermonuclear

/s

Palaestra is gone, where will BKP go next?

You know I can hold all of those positions and be say a conservative right

Not that I even hold all of those positions

@Samaritan™ Conservatives are not for freedom. They are collectivists.

That makes no sense to delete a whole channel over an argument about one person

And Nationalists are Socialists

You can tell Thermonuclear is a Amerimutt because he thinks Economic Nationalism and protectionism is Socialism

Communists are nationalists by that retardo logic

HE THINKS BEING FOR BORDERS IS SOCIALISM

Communists are better than Fascists since they are Internationalists and much easier to defeat

Even Styx is for borders.

Christ.

Also, it looks like all my messages were purged from every channel but politics

Fascists want me dead for my skin color

He even agrees that open borders types are weaker and easier to defeat

Fucking zero self awareness retard

@Thermonuclear what's your ethnicity?

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Native American

@Ethreen42 Mind read me rn

ah, that explains the stupidity, his IQ is 85 at best

See

Fascists are evil, Communists are just misguided

Right, he doesn't recognize the fact rational individualism enabled us to come together and discuss the utility of having a border, upon which we then implemented law.

Not even a Fascist but K

though I'd take a Fascist over a communist any day

He thinks that a collective of individuals cannot come to a consensus

He dismisses the social uniformity that is a byproduct of rationalism.

Because he is so anal that he never could

Right.

@Jeremy This country was taken forcefully from my ancestors. Either we take back our land or we have open borders and this becomes truly a country of immigrants.

Forcefully?

"This country was taken forcefully by my ancestors." cry harder faggot

That's complete nonsense.

Now the race nat in him is coming out

Blood and soil or open borders destroy it all

My people were genocided by war mongering Euro trash founders

Literally give my races land back or open the borders

cry harder

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it's called right of conquest

"we couldn't defend ourselves wahhhhh!!!!"

We bought the land from a civilization that had declined by 80% by the time we came ashore, a civilization that had migrated here from Siberia across the Alaskan land-bridge, @Thermonuclear.

A civilization whose population was so small, it couldn't fill a small city in Florida.

I like how he calls nationalists evil collectivists till he starts talking about how evil white people are

He is a leftist in disguise

and about how his race needs their land back

Yet, you act like they were settled all across this landmass.

You act like they didn't murder the peoples who lived here before them.

They did farm I think

Whites as a collective did evil stuff, yes. Doesn't mean I'm for reparations, but also doesn't mean I will support a phony nation built on genocide.

So they could be considered settled in some places

We taught them how to farm, @Samaritan™, when they were facing shortages.

It was part of the contractual deals we made to acquire land.

I'm at least happy that karma is catching up to Euro trash. Sweden is belongs to Arabs @Kinky Kitsune (Coomer)

>phony nation

atleast Europeans can actually build nations unlike the shitholes your people built

damn bro you build two cities in Mexico and Peru, impressive

the colonization of america was by definition not a genocide

They weren't even native americans who did that

tbf the native americans didnt have the means to build many civilizations

@Ethreen42 Africans benefited when they came to the US, still doesn't justify slavery

He is still around so clearly the genocide didn't work

I've discussed this subject so many times, I'm just going to paste what I wrote last time.

They didn't have a system of property, as with all nomadic civilizations then and now, and yes, we did purchase our lands from the tribal authorities, which we continued to share with them for centuries, up until the military factions rejected the tribal authorities' deals, because they wanted to seize the land we developed. Thus, they began raiding our settlements, scalping men, women, and children, along with their own, just as some of your ancestors did to the British.

Many of the so-called "Natives" fought alongside us, just as the so-called Africans did alongside the British; even the Trail of Tears was orchestrated and led by a "Native" General. We have a right to self-defense against an initiator of force.

Your perspective of "con" comes from the false premise the land, attached to the capital assets we now have, was valued by them then, as much as it is now to us, by a few tribes totaling less than a million in population size, who'd not settled, developed and labored on, all of the land of reference.

Furthermore, the "Native Americans" migrated from Siberia, and they were not the first ones here. Instead, they traveled to this land, killed off the previous population and did not trade for the land; whereas, we did trade for the land.

Finally, because of their lacking system of property, accumulation of capital couldn't take place, and shortages were abound, as property rights, and thus markets, are an adaptation to scarcity. As a result, over 80% of their population died off, before early settlers came ashore, as they couldn't allocate scarce resources efficiently.

@Samaritan™ "Jews exist so the holocaust didn't happen"

Anyway.

Genocide Jeremy the TL;DR man

The Americans didn't fall before they had time to finish it

The Germans did

"that karma is catching up to Euro trash" and once again the mask drops and Anarcho-capitalism is confirmed to be nothing more then just a anti-white front ideology, shocking

@Jeremy That's a White supremacist view of justifying genocide because property rights didn't exist. You are worse than Fascists in that you are not even open about your beliefs.

Jer goes a whole day without a wall of text and posts it just as bog joins

Someone ban the personification troll.

@JackH670

Ban this kike.

@JackH670

@Thermonuclear Jack is coming for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WWuVsunoD8

>racial slurs
>ad homs
>conspiritard accusations
>not addressing any arguments I made
>crying to the mods to suppress my free speech

Prepare to meet your freedom of association

Thermonuclear is falling on Jeremy, couldn't be happier.

What the fuck does your user even say

Me and the bois getting ready to kill some Indian fags

https://fee.org/articles/why-the-pilgrims-abandoned-common-ownership-for-private-property/

I love when freedoms conflict.

"I have freeze peach!"
"Not in my back yard!" pulls shotgun trigger.

@Thermonuclear

https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states

@Jeremy

dam bro that sucks

https://www.history.com/news/native-american-genocide-california-apology

it's fucking terrible what the European did ngl, how the fuck could they leave some Indians alive!

> California Slaughtered 16,000 Native Americans. The State Finally Apologized For the Genocide

@Samaritan™ bo-gi-n(ya)-zhi-v(a)

imagine apologising for goods things, SMH

I find it comical how the superior power, who defended themselves against tribes raiding property they acquired through legal means, are somehow considered to have genocided them.

i apologise for shitposting so well

To be fair

If they didn't leave any alive

We wouldn't be talking to this retard

^

You know, we had many so-called "Native Americans" living on our lands, who were themselves victims of the militaristic tribes that objected to the sales and wanted the land back after we developed it.

I'm converting Sam

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Once again, the Trail of Tears was LED BY A FUCKING NATIVE.

LOL

@Jeremy As I said, you're worse than Fascists. Your kind will LARP as libertarian but secretly hold genocidal beliefs. Fascists and White Nats are at least honest.

land ownership should be tied legally to development

When the mods wake up we're going to put you through a trail of tears @Thermonuclear

if you don't use your land, it should be siezed from you by the state

not to mention im pretty sure more europeans killed other europeans during the whole colonization of america than natives

@Thermonuclear expected the settlements to let their children be scalped before their own eyes and not defend themselves.

and that's exactly what was done to natives

That's far worse than Fascists.

" White Nats are at least honest." on a serious note White Nats usually dont support genocide, you're thinking of Nazis and Supremacists, White nats just want some land to call home

@Thermonuclear expects people to submit to seizure of their property and genocide.

@Ethreen42 Go back to Europe

I only expect that of Jeremy

@Thermonuclear make me fag

Only one of those statements is true

white nats are retards but yeah most of them dont want a genocide

Technically

Yeah no

Most of them want the deportening followed by leftist day of the rope

is a white nat a nationalist that is white or a nationalist for the nation of whites?

2nd

Nationalists are socialists

Not even the left uses the 1st definition

the latter is retarded, the former is OK

They just say everyone is the second definition

@Thermonuclear wow you are smooth brain.

Socialists are not Nationalists. They destroy their economy, @Thermonuclear.

Thermo would cup Babas balls

White Nats usually dont support mass killings of Leftists (ok maybe some of the lefts leaders but with leaders like Bernie Sanders can you blame them), they tend to support ideological suppression and gradual assimilation at worst or just toleration at best @Samaritan™

Socialists come in many varieties. Nationalist is one of them. @Jeremy

nationalism isnt socialism that just doesnt make any sense

The Nationalist is first and foremost concerned with the best interests of their whole nation; sabotage of the economy is not a Nationalist thing to do, @Thermonuclear.

nationalism is unqiue to each nation you can be a soviet nationalist which would make you a socialist but also a nationalist

Ugh maybe but you want leftist and hippie fags in prison don't you @Ethreen42

Nationalists put the interest of the Nation before the individual

The interests of the individual are inseparable from the nation.

Not a White Nationalist since that implies I want a pan-European Ethnostate @Samaritan™

a shitty nation doesnt make the individual better

Not to mention, Nationalism inherently has a cultural and blood component

Pedantics we know what it means generally

nationalism =/= ethno-nationalism

I can't employ a Mexican or a Chinese illegal in a Nationalist govt.

ok and

The Nationalist govt. would tread on my property rights

GOOD

Wait

yeah because they ar eillegal kek

You're breaking the same lmao

the law*

And remove them since they don't "belong" to the Nation

if they were legal you could

Not what I meant

THEY DONT BELONG TO THE NATION, THEY'RE ILLEGAL!

Because they represent a threat to the interests of the people, @Thermonuclear.

if they went in legally they have all rights to stay

They aren't the people

That's the problem

They are mexicos people

@Jeremy As I said, putting the collective above the individual

That, too, @Samaritan™.

@Kinky Kitsune (Coomer) Nation states don't have a right to control their borders

The government is meant to represent the American people not Chinese and Russians

It isn't, because people can objectively come together and understand how undocumented Chinese people could be foreign agents of espionage, for example.

lol

Only private actors do

wrong

@Thermonuclear

ok im 99% sure this is a troll now

China has 5x the pop of the US they could just send 300m people here and take over with open borders

if the nation wants to deport illegals they have every right too

Well worth the investment

Likewise, we can come together and rationally discuss the very real threat of undocumented Middle Easterners presenting a terrorist threat to one or more individuals.

mate thats basically what they're doing in Australia lmao @Samaritan™

And Canada

Idk about NZ

Does that conform to your linguistic model, @Thermonuclear?

they could send 5 million people here and we'd basically be a Chinese nation overnight, thats why our founders created the White Australia Policy

@Ethreen42 All right, so would you, as a principled Nationalist, be fine with completely legalizing all illegals? Just have a minimum border security check if you want for criminal background, then is it fine if people can come and go as they please?

>completely legalizing all illegals
NO

Thermo cannot comprehend cooperation between multiple people is that individualism or just social retardation?

I'm against all illegal migration and want a vastly limited legal migration system

Rational cooperation between multiple people is a pillar of individualism, really.

A principled Nationalist would have some criteria for discriminating based on cultural and ethnic component. One of them said that 10 million Somalis don't become Japanese even if they legally migrated there and learn to make sushi.

thats true lmao

This is why I'm against Nationalists

I'm a open border Minarchist

I'll never be Japanese, neither will Somalis, only Japanese people can be Japanese (shocking, I know)

Alright; don't call yourself Libertarian, however.

Alright I've got to go, continue to battle this retards single functional brain cell

You won't preserve your Libertarian values.

Then you aren't a libertarian @Ethreen42

I never said I was you mong

Jesus Christ

Pay attention retard

Etheen is white nat

no I'm not but k

I'll take that over libertarian

Libertarians would have no contention if a Somali or a Mexican moved to Japan and started a family, based on contractual property agreements. The component of cultural and ethnic ties is from the Old Right and Traditional Conservatism.

Its broadly accurate

I don't really want to start being granular with white ident ideology

Libertarians would have an issue with that once they were outnumbered.

And unable to preserve their values.

They'd also object to it as that group of people begin voting away their rights.

I just call commies, commies not marxists, maoists ext

@Jeremy Why would you have an issue if all of Japan turned black but still respected NAP?

Might just start calling you's white idents idk

Because they will not respect the NAP.

LOL

That's bigotry

I'm a Anglo-Celtic Australian Nationalist, not a "White Nationalist", White Nationalism is Racial Nationalism, I'm a *Ethnic* Nationalist @Samaritan™

Alright, I'm a bigot then.

Guilty as charged.

You are not relying on individual agency but racism @Jeremy

Okay I'm willing to make the distinction between white and ethnic nationalism because of Americanisms

thank you

No, I'm relying on the very real sociological differences between a Japanese Libertarian and a Somali.

They have entirely different cultures.

As I said, the "Right Wing" is a loose coalition of Traditionalists and pseudo libertarians

Differing social norms and values, mores and folkways, formal and informal norms.

I'm not going granular than those two categories though and maybe pan white something something

They're radically different in how they believe the economy should function.

Off late Traditionalists and Ultranationalists have gained ground and need to be purged

How government should function.

Good thing that social media is going after them

They haven't gained ground at least not anglosphere

stay salty that we're winning @Thermonuclear

We will slowly transform Germ into a fagg-- I mean, fascist.

in Europe, Latin America etc we've been gaining ground sine 2015

I don't consider Europe western tbh

Even if it hasn't spread to Australia, though thats because of terrible leadership not because of a lack of demand

I know I might be alone in that though

@Samaritan™ not anymore <:why:462286147473637407>

there is no true west anymore