He is right every time too

second of all, that isn't the only example of prohibition that we have

@Fénius Farsaid that's a lie

I just provided example number two

Why does it need to be alcohol?

are you not a traditionalist?

alcoholism is part of european identity

@Leaf Because how you prohibit both varies greatly, also, cigs have never been totally banned in the states to my knowledge.

@Banjod I'm not, I just like alcohol.

I want it preserved because I think those aspects of Europe are cool

i was mocking you

And aesthetically pleasing

this is the things you've pretty much said

the bottle is the only asthetic thing to alcohol

have you ever noticed

kids should be allowed to drink

here's the ***Cato Institute*** on the question - a veritable libertarian organization

if they consent

even ***they***

aka

your side

@Weaboo Kempeitai the stats I posted were from Germany

why does JoJo hate India??? 😂

Here are some regarding alcohol prohibition in Canada

doesn't claim that consumption increased, or was not lower than pre prohibition levels

"Between the years of 1920-1925 five provinces voted to repeal prohibition. The elimination of alcoholic beverages had made a difference in Canadian society. The Ontario Alliance for the Total Suppression of the Liquor Trade stated in 1922 that the number of convictions for offenses associated with drink had declined from 17,413 in 1914 to 5,413 in 1921, and drunkenness cases had dropped from 16,590 in 1915 to 6,766 in 1921.[34] By the end of prohibition, nearly three quarters of beer breweries had closed.[35] It was only in the second half of the twentieth century that a significant number of new breweries opened again." @Weaboo Kempeitai

during prohibition

alcholism in children depends on the child

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEJVcOmEckM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/24/boris-johnson-challenges-theresa-may-introduce-migrant-amnesty/

even the ***libertarian scholars*** don't make the ridiculous claim which you make

and they give the exact reasoning that I do

they agree that it would be conceptually impossible

prohibition increases prices, so will lower consumption necessarily

by at least some level

it certainly will not raise consumption

Honestly almost nobody understands libertarianism. I bet that a good 90% of this discord server has no clue what they are talking about when they advocate for or criticize libertarianism. All they can likely do, whether effective or not, is battle with libertarians on specific issues without ever reaching the underlying principle of libertarianism and debating that itself.

To summarise, 5 years of alcohol prohibition in Canada lead to a reduction by two thirds in public intoxication and related criminal activity, convictions by an equal amount and lead to the closure of three quarters of all breweries in the country.

Just 5 years

Nice

@Nerthulas Dude just read the damn book lol. If it's so wrong you shouldn't have an issue proving so.

@TheUserNameofPeace shinsekai yori is pretty heavy though. If you want something lighter try gto (great teacher onizuka)

I have already proven so

and you don't even know if the book makes the claim that you make

I think it would raise the potency and subsequent danger of the substances it is prohibiting.

it probably does not

libertarianism is a means in itself just like every other ideology which is why its a joke to engage on its underlying principles

that is not the same thing as increasing consumption

There are still many cities and towns in Canada called 'dry towns' which effectively uphold alcohol prohibition laws in the country to the present day

those are not equivalent

Hundreds

to get rid of the rats, just release snakes
- ancapism

Even though the national prohibition has been lifted

it serves no greater purpose other than wealth production

@Leaf I mean, that's fine. Why couldn't you just try that instead of doing that on the federal level. And why would you assume Libertarians would oppose that?

The federal government did do that

I mean, keep dry towns.

and libertarians would oppose it because it literally infringes on public freedoms

individual freedoms

It dosen't

I don't care about your freedoms I care about the well-being of my people

It's purely voluntary association. Have you read what Hoppe wrote on on contractual convents?

no, a dry town is not a voluntary association

Why is the federal government distinct from the municipal in this regard

it is a government which passed a law

They did exactly the same thing and represent the population in exactly the same sense

it has nothing to do with voluntarism

the law is enforceable by state power

@vicmaxim If by "means in itself" you are referring to ideological positions as purely instinctual, I would say you are half correct. People that tend to drift around servers like this and discuss politics, philosophy, etc. significantly more deeply than the average person are more likely to be convinced one way or another if the underlying principles of their ideology are challenged enough.

@Fénius Farsaid look dont serve the ideology

that's all im saying

@Leaf A small town or community can be entirely made up of voluntary participants. A federal government by necessity must disallow any secession.

Ima sleep now

Problem?

Man will continue to serve his ideas. We always have and we always will.

man continues to serve man not ideas

specifically the white man

nature's miracle

the white race

There are few individuals who are capable of serving their own interests above their own conceived ideas of the world. The rest are followers.

@Weaboo Kempeitai its not voluntary

the laws are enforceable by state power

It can be

Is the point.

its not

Even among the white race

It can be

whether it can be is irrelevant

we're talking about the real world

@Fénius Farsaid they follow the leader not the idea

dry towns are not voluntary arrangements

as a libertarian

you oppose them

They follow the idea of their leader. Their idealistic conception of them.

The absolutely are.

I'm talking towns of tens of thousands not a few hundred

The local government could secede from the federal government and function exactly the same as it currently does.

no, a resident could not build a building with his own money, and sell it to a company which turns it into a tavern

Even instinctual hedonists follow their ideas, as in their conception of the pleasure of sex, or food, etc.

that is not voluntary