libertarianism is a means in itself just like every other ideology which is why its a joke to engage on its underlying principles

that is not the same thing as increasing consumption

There are still many cities and towns in Canada called 'dry towns' which effectively uphold alcohol prohibition laws in the country to the present day

those are not equivalent

Hundreds

to get rid of the rats, just release snakes
- ancapism

Even though the national prohibition has been lifted

it serves no greater purpose other than wealth production

@Leaf I mean, that's fine. Why couldn't you just try that instead of doing that on the federal level. And why would you assume Libertarians would oppose that?

The federal government did do that

I mean, keep dry towns.

and libertarians would oppose it because it literally infringes on public freedoms

individual freedoms

It dosen't

I don't care about your freedoms I care about the well-being of my people

It's purely voluntary association. Have you read what Hoppe wrote on on contractual convents?

no, a dry town is not a voluntary association

Why is the federal government distinct from the municipal in this regard

it is a government which passed a law

They did exactly the same thing and represent the population in exactly the same sense

it has nothing to do with voluntarism

the law is enforceable by state power

@vicmaxim If by "means in itself" you are referring to ideological positions as purely instinctual, I would say you are half correct. People that tend to drift around servers like this and discuss politics, philosophy, etc. significantly more deeply than the average person are more likely to be convinced one way or another if the underlying principles of their ideology are challenged enough.

@Fénius Farsaid look dont serve the ideology

that's all im saying

@Leaf A small town or community can be entirely made up of voluntary participants. A federal government by necessity must disallow any secession.

Ima sleep now

Problem?

Man will continue to serve his ideas. We always have and we always will.

man continues to serve man not ideas

specifically the white man

nature's miracle

the white race

There are few individuals who are capable of serving their own interests above their own conceived ideas of the world. The rest are followers.

@Weaboo Kempeitai its not voluntary

the laws are enforceable by state power

It can be

Is the point.

its not

Even among the white race

It can be