damn okay now we getting into some deep shit. But why is that Capitalism's fault rather than the fed?

Because the corporations are the ones causing it

but you just said the military was doing it to get more soldiers

If not the government being their tool, they'll use something else to do so

ah

wait

so it's the state's fault?

The military is just the place the kids go

Ok, MIC. We got that. So reduce governments and reduce corprotism, without hurting tje free market

No, it's the corporations and the businesses and the colleges themselves

The state is just one of numerous different tools that is used to manipulate the system

screw colleges themselves

couldn't you say exactly the same thing, the other way around?

You're talking in circles my dude. Take a minute for me and run trough the blame game so we can hammer out a solution

I'd love to take that attitude but I'm destitute and can't afford that

aren't corporations just the tools that the government uses to manipulate us?

No, the corporations are the ones at fault here

there's no way we're gonna hammer out a solution lol

this is just for fun

Because the state has existed long before corporations. The way I see it its a mutual benificial relationship.

and harmful, for that matter

Well yeah, at least for us peasants

They corporations outsourced the jobs. The colleges hiked their tuition, the government benefits because they'll always have more of the poor and the unfortunate sons to go die in the next war for nothing... well... correction, we'll die for oil

But at the end of the day the government isn't the one REALLY benefiting

didn't the gov't establish working laws that forced the corps to outsource?

Ok, but why the outsourcing? Because of govt interference stemming from FDR and the depression

you can go back and back and back all the way

both are at fault lol

All his ABC agencies were a bandaid on a septic wound

Darkness gets it

It's the corporations; the defense contractors make money off of endless wars, the manufacturers make money off of outsourced jobs in places like China, the colleges make money off people like you who are willing to go into massive debt just to have a shot if they can afford it. The government is just one aspect of a much larger profit web.

The only reason our economy bounced back was because of war profiteering. After that boom, thing receeded back to how they were. Festering

Trump boomer make me wanna commit self end

^

my dude, do you not understand that these same accusations can be thrown the other way too? Gov't starts the wars, gov't subsidized colleges, etc

truth @One Shot Paddy

@One Shot Paddy pretty much yeah

AYYYYY

WE ALL AGREE

Noice

thank you @One Shot Paddy

Ok, so we at least realize we're fighting the same people, yeah?

I have one who shows up in my fb feed all the time

yeah

Why does the government start the wars? Because warfare in the middle east helps to drive up the price of oil which means further profits for the oil industry. Why does the government subsidize college education? Because they know that the colleges will not lower their profits if they didn't so therefore they've created a bandaid solution that benefits some but ultimately still ensures that colleges are paid what they want.

So "easy" fix is to have the govt have as little inflence on the private sector and vice versa. Only interacting when necessary under strict and well defined criteria

Oh also the warfare earns defense contractors trillions annually

And who pays the price? Poor people

With our money. With our health. With our lives

We defang both serpants, and feast on their meat so to say

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They don’t care about flesh and blood individuals

The State's only ""job"" should be as an officiator/witness to the free choices of the governing populace

With our very souls

It’s not their own lives at risk

(*imo*)

But you can keep shifting blame again by saying that the only reason that corps have the power to start wars is because the gov't has a military. Among SO SO many other blame shifts. This is just gonna keep continuing lol

@Foxhound with our very souls

@AKAlexei ok, we just seem to be coming from different sides of the same issue. And I do get where you're coming from

Wrong. The states duty is to prepare itself and the economy for collapse and to prevent it for the good of it's people.

Like agreed - but

Absolute power absolutely corrupts

y e s s s

so why don't we balance the power

Our republic tried

Tree of liberty and all that

The aim should be to prepare the nation for armed conflict or economic collapse.

if balance were everyone's self interest. . . ***cough*** FreeMarketLaissezFaireBlahBlah ***coughcoughcoughLUNGcough***

The state's duty is to represent the people on our behalf, make laws where necessary, collect taxes where necessary, and uphold those laws through legal services. It also has an oath to promote the general welfare, which many can and do argue is a simple way of saying it has the right to keep people from ending up broke, homeless, destitute, and with no way out other than a bullet

The republic failed.

The state does have some responsibility to help during a recession or collapse, I suppose. It’s an organizing, unifying force (so long as it is kept small or decentralized, neither of which our government is)

The republic was manipulated

omg look it begins again

see we're right back at square one!

and we're gonna STAY at square one because both corps and gov't have too much power over each other

so there's no clear way to blame anyone here

The republic failed from the very beginning.
"I tried to give you a democracy, but they chose a republic and they can keep it!"

Corporations control governments. Sorry.

Corprotism is the evil, not necessarily corporations or capatalism. In the same stroke that government corruption and tyranny is evil, not necessarily the govt

governments control corporations, sorry

fug republics constitutional monarchy is best

Bullshit

okay

It's almost like. . . if people have an avenue to control other people. . .

Governments control corporations? Really? That's the hill you want to fight for?

do you make more than minimum wage?

yes?????

No.

I don't

are you unemployed????

Nope.

so you're in the military?

Nope.

well just tell me then

where's the catch

What catch are you referring to?

We're back on the blame carousel again. We know who and why causes problems. At this point is like asking chicken or egg

Brb I'm clocking out of work

how do you make less than is legally mandated by the government

The biggest issue we need to overcome is universal suffrage. If everyone can vote, the votes are easily manipulatable imo. The founding fathers originally made sure there wasn’t universal suffrage to prevent the fracturing of society