There's no larpy "rise up!" message

oh and btw all this crossing the rubicon stuff is not good optics, we should n't advocate for it at all, just a prediction about the future

I gotcha it's not an unreasonable prediction

yeah its not unreasonable to say that our current situation is not tenable, but le read siege is terrible, nobody should want a real civil war

it would not go as you think

we would just get invaded

the end

if one did start then maybe events would transpire as i described as a way to end it as quick as possible

Even if the balance of power were even it would be horrible

It may even be worst. If an actual war with modern weapons was waged in America the infrastructure would be destroyed

there would be no balance of power if a real open civil war started russia or china would just invade pretty quickly

oof well we just shitted up history chat

back to history

Would you have supported Caesar in the civil war with Pompey?

probably

The main thing is stop our New Rome sinking to the step that we have to choose between Caesar and Pompey

SPQR is already dead in the era of trilogy

@Deleted User depends on what you mean democracy

do you mean very limited suffrage, i.e., only a small portion of the people get to make the decisions?

I asked the question because I wanted to know if there is a republican form of government without any type suffrage

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy

The closest you can get to that is what we originally had.

White male landowners who had actual stock in the country they were voting to rule.

Or

do what the Holy Roman empire did,

except on a much larger scale,

have inheritated positions of power which are capable of voting.

I'm asking more of a question about definition

is it possible for a republic to not have suffrage

It is not.

or would it just be an oligarchy or aristocracy

okay

@Hektor#9849 well how do you have a legitimate transition of power

without any form of suffrage or hereditary right

trial by combat

There's a lot of nascent republics that don't have any democracy

but that seems like a transition period

i.e., the English Protectorate, the French Directory

@Hektor and even if the leader isn't elected in a republic, the legislature almost always is

@Hektor#9849 Why can't I ping you?

Hitler was gay

ur mom gay

no ur mom and dad gay together

das right

@Deleted User Would they even be a republic if there isn't suffrage though? How can government be a public matter if there is no voting?

There are degrees of publicness and differences in how legitimacy is drawn

But you're right in that it's very hard to have a republic without a mechanism for public feedback

The examples I mentioned weren't monarchies

and relied on an elected legislature while not having an elected executive

I'll look into that. tbh I've never heard of something like that

my brainlet status is showing

well those republics were never intended to have an unelected executive

in fact the directory didn't even have a single chief executive, it had a board of executives

it's just that in the case of the English Protectorate, Cromwell and the New Model Army got tired of the Rump Parliament for taking too long to forge a constitution so he dismissed them

and each new attempt to convene parliament during his reign as lord protector resulted in the same deadlock

and with the French Republic and the Directory, there were elections for the directory, but suffrage was limited, and the elections were mostly rigged

then of course you had Napoleon as consul while France was still nominally a Republic

and finally here's an interesting plan: Bolivar wanted Gran Colombia to have presidents-for-life

with an elected legislature and a one-time election for each president

*fellas*

google "deutschland flaggen geschichte"

cursed

nice

North AMericans are Europeans

at least the good ones are anyway

Daily reminder that Alexander Hamilton out-kiked the kikes by using the First National Banks to transform crippling foreign debt into an engine for economic growth

He's a national hero

Hamilton is a hero but Biddle was a tool

I stand by Jackson's killing of the 2nd national bank and appropriating the funds to regional banks

^

one of the best presidents, maybe THEE best

I don't know enough about Nicholas Biddle to have an opinion on him

In fact literature about the Second National Bank and its functions are hard to come by

Also almost immediately after Jackson destroyed the national bank, all of the regional banks engaged in currency speculation that ultimately led to a massive financial crisis

that Jackson's successor Van Buren had to take the blame for

Kind of a dick move tbh

owned

Chad Jackson, takes credit and leaves the blame for his successor

Van Buren is quite literally the purest historical form of a Cuck in American history

he was the Robin to Jackson's Batman

Van Buren is OK

>all these historically illiterate cucks passing by Polk like he's some cheap whore on the corner

Very sad

Polk fought a war to pay for the privilege of buying sparsely populated land

He's a bug man

william henry harrison was the best president

he didnt make a single flaw his entire presidency

prove me wrong

He died too soon

whoa whoa whoa why are you shitting on Polk big guy

Just being a contrarian

"Omgf!!! You didn't mention Polk literally the best president evar!!! 54 40 or fite!!!"

t. bugman historian

Polk's not a bad president but a lot of pretentious folks overrate him for the sake of showing off their basic knowledge of American history

Oh ok I was wondering if there was something I was missing because my liberal teacher said he Polk was his favorite president

skeptical of everything that fella says

Washington is my favorite president

followed by Lincoln