i think the ideal republic would feature a senate:
consisted of members of the highest class
voted for by the highest class and upper middle class

A sort of tribune of the plebs made up by upper middle class, voted by upper middle class and representatives from the lower classes

Republic originally meant "a public matter" didn't it? There needs to be some type of democracy so that common people have some power in government

i think that version of the "tribune of the plebs" would have less power than they did in rome

this would limit democratic influence over most things yet still allow all citizens have some stake in the govt

but thats just off the top of my head

I've been wanting to look into Roman government to learn from their mistakes for a while but haven't gotten into it. I think American government is a fine system we have been decaying as a society

it was fine when we had limited franchisement

Yeah wasn't it land owning men back at the founding?

yes

i think in the coming years we will have a crossing the rubicon moment

im not really siege pilled

but i think we will have a sincere leader with Faustian spirit sieze control thorugh a constitutional crisis, not trump though.

i think we will lose 2024 then in 2028 we will win and i think thats when it will happen

Eh I don't see something like that happening imo. It depends on how divided the country is by that point and just how big of a crisis there will be.

I couldn't see something like that happening given the current lack of interest most have in politics

i dont know, i get kind of blackpilled sometimes about stuff, like how nobody in our government cares at all about us

not one

same. Fuentes and his America First stuff has been a whitepill for me though. Telling people to go to county GOP meetings, living good lives and starting families is the best way to turn things around.

If the culture can shift the politics will get better

Best of all it's a realistic goal

There's no larpy "rise up!" message

oh and btw all this crossing the rubicon stuff is not good optics, we should n't advocate for it at all, just a prediction about the future

I gotcha it's not an unreasonable prediction

yeah its not unreasonable to say that our current situation is not tenable, but le read siege is terrible, nobody should want a real civil war

it would not go as you think

we would just get invaded

the end

if one did start then maybe events would transpire as i described as a way to end it as quick as possible

Even if the balance of power were even it would be horrible

It may even be worst. If an actual war with modern weapons was waged in America the infrastructure would be destroyed

there would be no balance of power if a real open civil war started russia or china would just invade pretty quickly

oof well we just shitted up history chat

back to history

Would you have supported Caesar in the civil war with Pompey?

probably

The main thing is stop our New Rome sinking to the step that we have to choose between Caesar and Pompey

SPQR is already dead in the era of trilogy

@Deleted User depends on what you mean democracy

do you mean very limited suffrage, i.e., only a small portion of the people get to make the decisions?

I asked the question because I wanted to know if there is a republican form of government without any type suffrage

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy