i dont know, i get kind of blackpilled sometimes about stuff, like how nobody in our government cares at all about us

not one

same. Fuentes and his America First stuff has been a whitepill for me though. Telling people to go to county GOP meetings, living good lives and starting families is the best way to turn things around.

If the culture can shift the politics will get better

Best of all it's a realistic goal

There's no larpy "rise up!" message

oh and btw all this crossing the rubicon stuff is not good optics, we should n't advocate for it at all, just a prediction about the future

I gotcha it's not an unreasonable prediction

yeah its not unreasonable to say that our current situation is not tenable, but le read siege is terrible, nobody should want a real civil war

it would not go as you think

we would just get invaded

the end

if one did start then maybe events would transpire as i described as a way to end it as quick as possible

Even if the balance of power were even it would be horrible

It may even be worst. If an actual war with modern weapons was waged in America the infrastructure would be destroyed

there would be no balance of power if a real open civil war started russia or china would just invade pretty quickly

oof well we just shitted up history chat

back to history

Would you have supported Caesar in the civil war with Pompey?

probably

The main thing is stop our New Rome sinking to the step that we have to choose between Caesar and Pompey

SPQR is already dead in the era of trilogy

@Deleted User depends on what you mean democracy

do you mean very limited suffrage, i.e., only a small portion of the people get to make the decisions?

I asked the question because I wanted to know if there is a republican form of government without any type suffrage

Or if all republics have some degree of democracy

The closest you can get to that is what we originally had.

White male landowners who had actual stock in the country they were voting to rule.

Or

do what the Holy Roman empire did,

except on a much larger scale,

have inheritated positions of power which are capable of voting.

I'm asking more of a question about definition

is it possible for a republic to not have suffrage

It is not.

or would it just be an oligarchy or aristocracy

okay

@Hektor#9849 well how do you have a legitimate transition of power

without any form of suffrage or hereditary right

trial by combat

There's a lot of nascent republics that don't have any democracy