Yeah they are describing an inhomogenous universe which ours isn’t. But as for how infinity can expland that depends on a few things. We can pm about it if you want because my background is actually in GR and I feel like people here won’t really care

So the idea is that the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate flies in the face of the theory that the big bang is just an infinitely recurring event in the history of the universe, right?

Yes it does

An infinite universe can expand though

So is in inhomogeneous and also not isotropic?

Expansion means that the space between the points has become greater. Not that more “points” have been created. That’s one of the big confusing points in GR

Our universe is homogenous and isotropic

Oh I misread what you said my bad.

Meaning the average energy density is the same roughly everywhere, and the universe looks the same from wherever you are in it

So it would just keep expanding and never retract to the point where there is another big bang

I mean, I was taught, albeit in high school, that galaxies could be moving away from the Earth.

And that would just kind of never end?

Yes but it’s worth noting that most people don’t believe in the cyclical universe. And yes there are galaxies that move away from us due to expansion, and then there are some closer ones that move towards us regardless of expansion

The further away something is, the more the expansion has an effect. That’s why we have an “observable universe”. Beyond that point the space between us and objects there expands faster than light so we could never interact

I'm still not understanding how expansion of the universe can be at all possible when its infinite.

So what does that say about the state of the universe before the big bang?

Sure so for one we don’t know if it’s infinite. But if it were, the way it would expand is by the space between points expanding.

What could have caused the big bang if it's not possible that things retracted to that state

contracted*

We don’t really deal with that in physics. A philosophers opinion on what happened “before” the Big Bang is just as valid as a physicists

To me it doesn't sound very plausible that time existed infinitely before that

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Yeah the argument goes “how could infinite time have passed for us to be here” but we pass through infinities every day if we assume space is continuous

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You mean like how matter or time is infinitely divisible?

^^^^poster above is gay

Not matter but space and time

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The boomer is mad continue on

Because if it is you walked from point a to b and covered an infinite amount of points in space. So that same argument can be applied to the time thing.

I'm not understanding that

@IAmHiding

So matter isn't infinitely divisible like time and space is?

u mad bro ???

No matter isnt

No, are you?

So what's the smallest unit in matter?

u maaaaaaad bro ? @IAmHiding

Subatomic particles

Wouldnt it be whatever makes up quarks

Depends on the thing you’re talking about. Idk particle physics really at all but it’s quarks and I think electrons are fundamental particles too. Idk that field at all though

Yeah and then other theories have other ideas about what it could be like the string people

but all you know is there is a fundamental unit there that cannot itself be divided

Ur dink

what is going on here

Time can be divided to no end and matter cannot, there is a point where you cant split it, like there cant be half of a quark

what is this arguemney

Is what im asuming he is saying

Right

Yeah they think. But things like GR say nothing about matter, it says something about space

And time

well no the atom is the smallest unit of matter because a unit ascribes measurable qualities

you cannot measure the subatomic

completely

Wrong

W R... O... N. G <:trump:402385775200829440>

You can by shooting beams of light into it

you can measure indivual qualities but not all at once

That’s partially true but you can say the same for an atom

well i guess you can measure protons and netrons

Though the uncertainty principle makes it a range

but for all intents and purposes the atom is the smallest relvant unit

Relevant for what

It's not really relevant to the topic that started this convo

True

theres a pretty interesting podcast on the subatomic world from this guy called "talk to a spaceman" called "the particle zoo" that talks about the subatomic particles

like 20 min

That stuff is pretty cool

I think alphonsus left 😦

<:bigbrain:418140857242484757>

very digestable

@Alphonsus

the guy has got a gay voice, but to just get the content, its not bad, my dad introduced me to it and ive been listening recently

Originally this was about the aristotelian proof for the existence of god that Aquinas wrote about

oof lol

cool

where was the disagreeance is there a pagan in here?

or some ugly atheist

And we reached a point where I didn't find it convincing because to me it's also plausible that things can have an infinite series of causes whether it's linear in time or sustaining, hierarchical causes

I don’t think there was any disagreement just talking about how infinities can be applied to the world

Fuckin nerds

I am still here, reading it, doing some other research. I like the subject, it just isn't my strong area.

hierarchical causes refer for example to how my keyboard is able to be 3 feet off of the ground because it's held up by the table which is held up in turn by the floor etc

Son of a Banker is an atheist, however.

Right

I'm an atheist with the honest desire to learn otherwise

Yeah but that goes back to Aquinas argument from motion banker

He deals with that

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There's a few arguments that I believe rely on the principle that firstly everything has a cause and that there cannot be an infinite regress of causes

Yeah the unmoved mover

Argument from first cause etc whatever people call it

So what I'm having trouble with here is understanding why there can't be an infinite regress of causes

epic, why does an atheist pay piggy to nick, a catholic, thats kinda cucked

Cause nick is an intellectual beast

Get the book “shorter summa” by aquinas

yeah! convert! pagan!

He tries to deal with that in the first page. Idt you will agree with his argument though

I'm a willing convertee, but I'm not going to lie to myself that I'm convinced of a god

Sure, I'll check it out

The problem with the original Summa for me is mainly the old world kind of language

Hard to understand

If someone were to put it in modern terms it would be much easier to get

It's an acquired taste, for sure.

one of the biggest things for me is the old testament prophesies, there were many many prophesies prophesying the arrival of the ultimate homie, jesus christ, and the odds of them all coming true is like a billion in 1 or something

@TastefulH8r

i dont think you'll find the argument convincing tbh. and the entire rest of the book relies on that

but shorter summa is totally in modern language

Okay

hmm i might pick that up for my own reading

its good, like 370 pages

i havent read it all though

Firstly, that does sound appealing and this one page seems to be written in a much more understandable way than much of what I read in the summa

But I fail to understand the analogy of the instrument

yeah he wrote this right before he died

peter kreeft?

?

peter kreeft wrote it before he died?

no aquinas wrote it

oh I see

I thought you were referring to the shorter summa

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yeah i am, that was written by aquinas

Aquinas wrote a shorter summarized version of his own book?

Did you just say Kreeft died, lol?

yup he summarized his own book

someone asked him to because not everyone was going to be able to get through

What a bro

The dumb ox knew what other dumb oxes needed.

lool its true

Im going to kill myself if this message doesnt send

So what does the analogy of the instruments mean?

Okay epic

so joe left, eh?

Uhh i dont know

Why does matter and energy have any distinction between an instrument and a mover?

he did

LOL HE DID

He'd rather chill with the people who got banned in the banned server

what server

lmao very gay

The banned server <:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

I don't know if it's supposed to be secret or anything

Lol im in it with a sock account

<:smug:402400327313391616>

So you know that there's a channel dedicated to shitting on you there?

<:GWfroggerHyperXD:399972553524903938>

why are they so salty at you hiding?

@Punished Scaredd

https://twitter.com/JFGariepy/status/995341569321586693

Fuck this is off topic

I wanted to talk about one thing and it's back to the drama

yeah wtf nick its bedtime by then

Did you guys see my message about aquanis writing the shorter summa two years before he died

Pretty damn epic

nope

rip

Yeah ok it didnt send, thats why i said the kms thing lmfao

10 est is 9cst

how is that bedtime

im est

still

that's why they're doing it then, it'll be like 11 AM for him

@IAmHiding

you mean you dont stay up till 2 every night

nevvvvvvvvver, asleep by 8pm

max

lol

LOL ARE YOU 80

That's early as fuck yo

lmaooooo im kidding

Gotta get that 10 hours in

Lemme grab you your cane real quick

lolol

Whites owned

Heading to a car show rn and my baby brother is rolling in a McLaren

Building houses not made out of mud and rocks? fuckin whity amirite

wtf how is he driving a mclaren

Its a toy lmao

baller

He sits in it and it looks so fuckin goofy bro

Good day, gentlemen. <:GWragFeelsComfyMan:390321740158468096>

Hail

Victory

Jews rock

Jew(ish) (women) rock (their pelvis close to my pelvis)

ben shapiro is such a fucking faggot

did he actually tweet that?

Israelis like to build uhhhh lies

<:trolled:437512288438714368>

thats actually racist as fuck if he tweeted that

Guys

I have something to admit

I dont actually like Ben Shapiro

I'm just pretending I do to get with his sister

Dont tell him though <:smug:402400327313391616>

natalie portman looks like ben shapiro

Natalie Portman is Ben Shapiro you mega retard

I wonder why (((She))) looks so similar.

Makes me zinc

Big THONK

@RetardO ExtremeO late reply, Im out with my friend. My girlfriend is an Italian Catholic who is an actual Catholic, not a meme one. She's never had a boyfriend, she's 18, she's not far right of course, but she's conservative, actually conservative. She wants a family and kids

Damn nigga you won the fucking lottery

Remember, to keep a successful marriage you gotta honor The Lord, don't be engaging in any extra marital activities or anything

@RetardO ExtremeO Yup

I'm glad she isn't far right tbh

Far right girls are messed up in the head

Lmao

@Alphonsus that's my ex

Whore

I know

Nice save fag

thanks bro.

I'll send it to a cumtribute twitter page or something

@Deleted User On the topic of far right girls, always remember the dad equation

Either no dad, or abused by her dad

Not this one, fool.

That's where you are wrong kiddo

Being abused by your dad is trad

She'll be happy to be abused by you

She'll expect it from you

feels bad. I wish I had a masochistic gf

no, no you don't

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damn that is a nice pic

why does everyone think I'm gay or into traps

not as pretty as HH

https://twitter.com/Niklas14_/status/995361453745037312?s=19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FdnA4SyYzE

hussars make an appearance, nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRhg2zvalXc

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I know fags are gay

But there are times when sucking on some fag feels real good

Hello fellow fashy goys, do you guys hate black people?

Anyone know of any Alt-Right and Neo-Nazi discord servers I could get an invite to thanks

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You shall be blessed by Thor and Odin into the kingdom of Valhalla

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