you can tear apart non-rivetted just with ur hands lol

Better not to be hit, rather than to be hit trying to defend against the blow

In that case riveted is specifically the stuff you want if you want better protection

But...

2 jackets is probably better than non-revitted tbh

I mean yeah

If I knew I had to fight some Antifa pencilnecks I'd just put on full biker gear and that's it

Probably wouldn't need more than that

We're talking about Antifa after all <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

They won't always be pencilnecks

what makes rivetted chainmail so special

physics

Especially in Portland, a lot of the antifa without masks are large blacks directly out of Africa

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@Lucienne d'Anwyl

150$

@Lucienne d'Anwyl

non rivetted are just pieces of metal bent into a circle

That is riveted chainmail

i have no idea how good it is

it has a small stud in it

that is normal chainmai

l

whats the difference

slightly heavier metal?

Riveted chainmail has the links riveted into each other which makes it a LOT more durable

a lot of structural strength

Historically "normal" chainmail wasn't even used

It was always riveted chainmail

well if you had to pick a weapon for self defense and carry it around and all what would it be?

with non-rivetted the rings pry appart under fairly small amounts of pressure

Claymore.

so a swing from an axe can more or less cut thru it

A nuclear warhead on a dead-man's switch

Because the kind of "linked chain" that is considered normal is useless in defending against damage

A twelve inch handled claymore

claymores are more or less a meme too tbh

If you want actually protective chainmail, you need riveted chainmail. That's about it @Lucienne d'Anwyl

like they were used a decent amount historically, but really you want a halberd or a sword tbh

well I didn't specify the type <:hypersmugon:544638648721604608>

halberds are like

gunpowder ge arent they

tercios and shit

yeah they are known for them

@Lucienne d'Anwyl Halberds became popular with full plate armor, in the late 1300's and 1400's if I remember correctly. Way before firearms.

their job was to guard the musketeers tbh

yeah that time Spain was strong

musketeers do the real damage

No, I want a greatsword. Zweihanders are far too long, and Asian weapons are far too delicate. I want to take the arm swinging at me, and the weapon holding it, off entirely

but once the medieval-warfare-meta started to flesh out halberds really rose to the top

halberd break enemy morale and stop cavalry

And are the best weapons against armor, which became very popular because not dying is pretty fun.

how is a claymore the right size

if zweihanders are too long for you

the best weapon against armou is the lance

lol

none other

could ever match

the lance

zweihanders are bigger than claymores

kinda requires a horse tho lol

It's just a reference to the handle, tbh. The guard is much too wide on most medieval weaponry

Well yeah but then you need a horse too lol

thats the point

the only thing that can pierce armour

tercios where a military unit basically a regiment made up of companies with different weapons

is a horse

for the most part

halberd/warhammer can

assuming were sticking to melee

i mean really arrows+wall+siege+madstrats > everything

a small point can break

but if you want to pierce their heart

lances all the way

or couched pike

either way

There's no reason I can't stud my guard. I've already got a design for what I'll use

the horse does the work

and

@Kealor what is chainmail if it isnt riveted

but is welded shut

Halberds were the most popular weapons in the late medieval ages, after plate armor became popular. For two reasons - first off they were two-handed weapons, and as you already wore plate you wouldn't need a shield and therefor could use a halberd without much penalty. And second, they were super good against plate armor and on top of that were just really versatile and powerful weapons.

?

I have a shape I'll use, for the guard, which will be much smaller, but more pick-like than what any previous sword used

surely it cant be anywhere as weak as unwelded rings

ah thats like the midpoint, its somewhere in the middle

its not authentic, but it is better than the pressed chainmail

iirc it is still weaker than rivitted tho

But I gotta go to fucking sleep it's 2 AM here and I need to wake up in 4 and a half hours. Who knew I'd find people talking about medieval weaponry and warfare in here <:tiptip:462282246695419934>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCr3oztVpg

man

SIGMAR!

these guys are selling this shit cheap af

But part of this is that I'm very good at making edges, I don't think my blade will have any issue piercing with the tip

Have a good night everyone

catcha later

Later euro

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prolly weak af

#finexit

ah i forgot the name btw, but that "normal" chainmail where the metal is just pressed is called "butted-chainmail"

but A E S T H E T I C

no padding underneath

wouldn't stop shit from splitting your skull

you can literally

i dont think they are too worried about the mannequin tho

wear padding underneath

wont stop you lol

Don't get hit. Even with armor, a hammer is all they need to fuck you

theyre selling chainmail not coifs

Don't get hit. In and out

well there are reasons as to why there werent many agi-specced fighters in medieval warfare lol

... hammer greatsword. Ima make a guard out of a hammer

nigger what?

i mean

literally scouts

exist

you know

that was legit a real thing, but its kinda wonky

the crossguard is already a "hammer"

the best technique is still the shield and the sword personally

armor is to avoid all blows that *glance*

well scouts arent fighters lol

axe/shield

they are scouters

they kill people

namely other scouts

Brb, I've gotta acquire shit for degenerate means

or mace/shield

they also ambush regular soldiers

of course a hammer will fuck your day. but it'll have a chance of being deflected if wearing armor, theres no chance if you're not

not everyone has the perfect swing

hammers can go through deflection with the power of weight tho

spear

a sword gets raped by deflecting armour

hmm decent point, but i dont think that came up an awful lot historically, like gear/training sets for dedicated scouts (not spies)

@Lucienne d'Anwyl if its at a good angle you nigger

ill google a bit

sometimes

you swing

and it isnt that good

i mean

spies werent used that much

compared to scouts

reconaissance is like

https://tenor.com/view/gwent-gwentcard-neutral-mastercrafted-spear-gif-13786509

top tier my dude

as for dedicated builds i dunno

i mean

i assume a bow

probably dirks

scouts probably just had a bow or a sword and clothes

see the thing is

maybe a gambeson

if you collapse a tree

on top of a knight

you can kill him with your dirk

ez

gambeson and chain is what 80% of people had tbh

and a helmet

see the thing is

the helmet still helps you

because most niggers with hammers

wont always have perfect accuracy

yeah the internet seems to be of the mind that dedicated-scouts werent really a thing in medieval period

longbowman stood their ground at Agincourt and killed knights up close

and they may have a bad angle and swing somewhat on point

the other thing

just light infantry/cavalry given scout tasks using their same gear seems to me vastly more common

if a hammer has an armour piercing spike

it dont matter how good your armour is

youre getting fucking GANKED

so instead of a perpendicular crunch, its at a 170 degree angle and gets deflected

it does if you parry

yeah most hammers arent actually hammers lol

scouts where mostly light cavalry and skirmishers sent ahead of the army to look around

a parry can mean he glances your head

no helmet means you're dead

@Kealor scouts in european history

and it rhymes too

are mostly savages

never heard of dedicated scout coprs before modern times

like real scouts

usually mercenaries

and savages

okay, you want real scouts?

light cavalry

done

nah

mounted infantry

sent ahead because we don't care about them

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i mean i cant see anything

wouldn't they just tell their light cavalry to do a run around

^

and then come back

i mean when i played M2TW I always used mercenaries like that

granted

mercenaries are way more valuable

than your regular medieval army

in all honesty

scouts are inferior to just having your normal infantry look ahead

they arent expendable

irl you dont treat mercenaries like meat shields

your own army is expendable

also sent them in to carry the siege equipement

or you lose your mercenaries lul

a lot of mercenaries were highly elite

most mercenaries are

they where in my army

what do you think the third son of a lord does

his family buys him armour and a horse

and he becomes a mercenary

can't pay them if they dead is what i though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genoese_crossbowmen

as opposed to your typical army of peasants

just like D-Dogs

they usually were in a company

so you payed even if they died

@Machinimal DAAAAAAAMN BOI HE THIIIIICC

thicc boi

arrow proof ass

extra padded

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an arrow would go through chainmail tho

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More cushin for pushin brother @Flavius Stilicho

unless its seriously multilayer

depends on the bow/mail

arrowheads are pretty long

depends on the range it was fired at

longbows probably

more cusion for not dying

yeah depends on a few factors

@Lucienne d'Anwyl this nigger has never heard of glancing blows

depends on whether or not they shot with the flow of air or against it

also people did bring shields/siege equipment for that issue

A good kite shield to stand behind and a chestplate and you are largely covered.

reee

chestplates are gay

dont say chestplate

say

crossbowmen had stationary shields

*curaiss*

NO

Throw in a helmet, too.

THIS IS FRENCH, AND VERBOTTEN