I think it's possible

it depends on how big you dream, how charismatic you are

it's not just about raw numbers

it's how effectively we participate

I have no qualms running for public office

the most perfect town is Hood River OR, but its way too expensive

why is that?

the environment there looks really nice

very isolated too

it does

there are a lot of great places

I think it boils down to which location can accomodate the most kinds of people, the survivalist types are awesome to have around in your community, but the high economic performers are also useful

we need to find a place that attracts both extremes and everyone in between

I'm a part of the survivalist part of us so I'd be happy if i got a plot of land covered in loggable forest, thats all I'd need

I think farming is defenitly possible in Mossyrock

http://www.degoedebulb.com/images/home_page/drone_view.jpg

something like this is in the town

http://images5.gabriels.net/SIR_Affliates/286-mls_nw/photos/1100974_0.jpg

However, I think to make it possible, we'd have to be a full on farming/living on the land community

This is something we'll eventually have to work towards, but it'll be hard to just start out that way

also we're going to need internetz

another useful map @Orchid https://www.brookings.edu/interactives/diversity-explosion-the-cultural-generation-gap-mapped/

I think there's a lot to learn from the northmen guys, their work can be really inspiring to people and might be able to convince some to try another way of life. Their craft and culture is also very distinctly european, and if we ever want to ease normies into the ethnostate, or promote our community without catching the attention of (((them))), this is how you do it. The Northmen may or may not be about the 14 words, but it does not matter either way, they have still done a lot to promote the white idenitity and culture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKuqFG_2So

reposting here so it doesnt get buried

an issue that's important to any kind of start-up society is ensuring its long-term sovereignty and the transfer of values from generation to generation, has there been any discussion so far on this particular topic?

well thats pretty much a given

not really, realize that one of the things i think the core here holds to is to not get too far off into deep what-ifs, because its easy to masturbate to the future instead of using that time to act in the now

its one thing to say 'lets not forget our fathers faces' and another to spend a month codifying something for a place and time that dont yet exist

once again, not a monolith, etc etc

yeah i agree with that

i see myself right now as on a path, with where i am right now at one end, and the terminating point being land i own in an enviroment i crave, with my brothers to hand

anything that causes me to deviate or waste time i could be using to walk that path is dangerous

I think there are many important lessons that used to be passed on from generation to generation that are now lost in many modern people, i thought thats what hes referring to

let me give it some context

an underrated criticism of communism in my opinion is that in a scenario where the "utopia" is reached, newer generations will not grow up in the same society their ancestors who established this system did; they will possess neither the core values nor the experience upon which the society was founded, and will be more vulnerable to... "dogmatic heresies", if ya catch my drift.

they didnt earn the utopia, they were born into it, they dont know the struggle of the proles vs the bourgie

right?

oh yeah, thats basically the common problem behin the rise and fall of many past civilizations

mhm

that's my issue here

i don't know what we can do other than learn from past mistakes

it's an interesting topic for discussion.

yeah, i feel like in the near future, say, the next hundred years or so, a field trip to detroit every generation will suffice

but of course, I am thinking in the extreme long term.

'behold the smouldering ruin that liberal values and false equality bring'

i do like the point though, it is food for thought

we would have to consistently maintain a certain kind of culture that discourages that types of behavior and attitudes that eventually bring societies down, and usully thats done through church. But there's probably no foolproof solution, people have always talked about the fall of the Roman empire and how that could happen to America, yet nobody is serious about averting the same type of fate

this is the human condition, everyone worries about their own loaf of bread, regardless of station, the only difference is the size and quality of the loaf

i see it as a community issue first and foremost, strong bones for a strong body

the good news is that there's always some portion of society that doesn't fall for the progressive meme and is will to prepare for a difficult future

hard men for hard times

gentlemen, it has been a pleasure, im going to clock out for the evening, gotta pay the man in the morning

cya

Has anyone considered the Burnham Master Plan?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burnham_Plan_of_Chicago

Shame it didn't work out

Some notes I have on government roles in a free society

- The preservation of freedom requires the elimination of concentrations of power to the fullest possible extent and the dispersal and distribution of whatever power cannot be eliminated - a system of checks and balances.

- There are some matters in which proportional representation is impossible thus we must discuss, argue and vote. But having made a decision there must be conformity. If the use of resources for such indivisible cases becomes necessary then we must employ political channels to reconcile the differences.

- Unfortunately the use of political channels tends to strain the social cohesion essential for a stable society. The strain is least if agreement for joint action need be reached only on a limited range of issues on which people in any event have common views. Every extension of the range of issues for which explicit agreement is sought strains further the delicate threads that hold society together. If it goes so far as to touch an issue on which men feel deeply yet differently, it may well disrupt the society.

- Fundamental differences in basic values can seldom if ever be resolved at the ballot box; ultimately they can only be decided, by conflict.

- The widespread use of the market reduces the strain on the social fabric by rendering conformity unnecessary with respect to any activities it encompasses. The wider the range of activities covered by the market, the fewer are the issues on which explicitly political decisions are required and hence on which it is necessary to achieve agreement. In turn, the fewer the issues on which agreement is necessary, the greater is the likelihood of getting agreement while maintaining a free society.

- Society requires that its members agree on the general conditions that will govern relations among them. Enforcing compliance on the accepted rules and interpreting arbitrary situations.

- Rules cannot prevail unless most participants conform to them most of the time but there can’t be a reliance on the conformity.

- Men’s Freedom can conflict, and when they do, it must be acknowledged that one man’s freedom must be limited to preserve another’s.

It kind of did work out, though. Most of the lakefront is public property, and we have a very well defined grid system in place.

He just didn't anticipate cars

Chicago is a really cool place to visit as a tourist

And honestly, it's not as bad to live in, as long as you live in white areas.

Which there are plenty of.

How not to found your ethnostate:

lol

>“We came here to live as human beings…. free of the corporations that [control] countries…. we’re human beings, we belong in the sun. I belong in the tropics. I’m a tropical human being, you cannot stop me from being on the earth. I don’t belong to Costa Rica….. I don’t belong to America…. I belong to the earth”
>Too woke to obtain a visa

http://kinsmanredeemer.com/RacemixingIsNotChristian.htm

why are they in jail?

"we belong in the sun"

tards

literally

@Orchid they relocated to Costa Rica without bothering to obtain legal visas

Because citizenship is an oppressive white social construct

lol

>literally have an entire continent upon which they can found an ethnostate
>Move to the most developed, westernized country in Central America, because We Waz Taíno-Carib Seafarers

WE WUZ KANGS N SHIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET

http://landquest.com/detailmain.aspx?propid=17232

http://landquest.com/detailmain.aspx?propid=17088

Asking again, has any specific location in the northwest been discussed at all as far as the start of the homesteading?

http://landquest.com/detailmain.aspx?propid=17076

some have been talked about, i suggest scrolling up to read some of the past conversations

Will do.

The columbia valley in BC is very good.

Wouldn't Alaska be better for large land buys? More isolated and if we're smart with greenhouse farms we should be able to farm 365 days a year

If you're doing Alaska you may as well do the Yukon where land is free.

Or are we looking for an already established town to flood with hard working migrants (us)?

Federal owned territory though?

And by federal, I mean it's Canadian federal land

Yes

But they want people to develop it

They honestly don;t care who.

read through <#359432753474699274>, we are going to an existing town

But wouldn't we be at the mercy of the Canadian government in Yukon?

What population?

@Orchid didn't see the objective tab, will check now thank you

Not if we are doing a good job developing the land.

we've discussed population sizes above, I would say under 5,000 is preferrable

Alaska and yukon have harsher climate, there's a reason theyre empty after all

What about choosing two communities on both sides of the Canada-US border?

Make sure they are close enough

@Bellerophon was just thinking the same thing

That way, we dont have to worry as much about visas

Alaskan side for living and Canadian (Yukon) for free farm land

Thats an idea

Or the BC/WA/Idaho border

if theres enough demand we can have multiple communities

it all depends on where people want to go

but keep in mind that the final decision will come down to the people who will actually make the move

Of course

We might want to look at the Columbia Valley region of BC/WA

Would be better to have multiple communities wouldn't it? Trade and cooperation between them

It's got a decent climate, good land, and not as susceptible to earthquakes as the coast.

@Bellerophon have a look at aidomes, prefab concrete structures, earthquake proof domes, if our structures are built like this than earthquakes shouldn't affect us much

Not very comfy tbh

I want my comfy trad timberframe home.

They look comfy enough

Plus they are crazy durable and extremely heat /cold insulating

Just need to make concrete templates and we can build hundreds of them ourselves

What do you guys think about Patagonia (Argentinian Patagonia)?

Some of the the areas look just like Europe and there is already a heavy German presence they, but moving to another country is a whole other can of worms. America is not yet completely lost. The Northern part of the country from coast to coast is still mostly salvageable.

Beautiful and I really want to go there but Patagonia is one of the last options for an ethno state in my opinion, just before Antarctica.

The relocation (only) to a completely foreign land where one doesn't speak the language is far more difficult than moving to for example the US.

Patagonia is very nice, maybe someone will start their own white ethnostate there someday.

I moved to quebec with only english, you pick up suoer fast

I know enough spanish to mostly understand the taco goblins in my city.

3 pronged idea. Get the land. Build a tavern, stay in the tavern while we build our houses. Hire bitches to fuck. Do a homesteading "rough and ready town" where people can experience the "rough life". Offer a campground, fishing, kayaking, hunting, etc, all walled off from White World. Occasionally we'll redpill people and reduce the size of the campgrounds to accomodate more White folk as necessary.

Not bad, but no need to hire women. We'll all just bring our own.

So youre saying that town could have some tourism potential? Specifically red-pill tourism

Offering outdoor activities is a good way to allow people to see what kind of a community it was.

We could invited white advocacy groups like TWP to visit so their members can learn survival and agrarian skills and network with like-minded people. It could serve the additional purpose of more or less a retreat center for nationalists.

Redpill tourism is huge its not just tourism but if you had a venue large enough to hold speakers (such as richard spencer or jared taylor just as an example) like they already do across the country...you would be able to basically run the ethnostate off that... charge visitors 500 a week and they would love it...thats basically one of the benefits to creating this society first is that you can have an established regular income source from outside normies

I was thinking something similar from the get go, a lot of these groups both big and small would love having a place to hold meetings and film themselves holding rallies and marches through a town setting and such for propaganda without having to worry about antifa showing up. They could also do work trips and help with our agricultural during summer for self-improvement.

its a no brainer and also the best free advertisement to like minded people....except there are a lot of boomers that will show up lol

A regular income source would be good,but won't we want to ultimately become independent of USD?

yes, but that would take a lot of time and effort

We would be better off stockpiling rare metals and supplies for when the US collapses. That way all we need is a mint and we'll have our own non-fiat money.

http://futhark.org/page/2/

^thse guys produce their own coins

Will there be a form of government or will decisions be made on a community level and like town halls and stuff?

That will depend on those who settle there, I would say the best way to start is to just make some private organization like a church that guides the members

I prefer that idea, Orchid

Less likely to upset the fed

I lot of groups do something similar

@rilath Natural obstacles are also important IMO

Good climate

like rivers and mountains?

yes

lakes, ect

Even forests can be a decent barrier

from what I seen, land prices in WA and OR can get pretty high, meanwhile places like Idaho have some very cheap land. The trade off is that the climate is harsher and therefore the growing season is shorther

that is true

Idaho is also comfortably red

And I'm not talking about indians

lol

What do you guys think is a reasonable price? Also keep in mind in eastern Oregon/eastern Washington and 90% of Idaho is sage brush wasteland

No trees

It is an eye sore imo

i agree

we need trees, we have to have lumber for our buildings, firewood and anything else we need

i would say around $5k per acre

you wouldnt want to cut down wood on your own property because those trees are 20 plus years old and all you need is a couple of 2x4s

the tree is worth more as a part of the land and protection

as far as price per acre i think its more important to look at density and plan how many people can one day live on that piece of land and deciding from there on the land

well we could ride out to the outskirts of our land to gather our firewood

so youd log land that cost lets say 2-5k per acre making it worthless to get wood for building

instead of buying logs from a logger that will not be deveolping his land

as far as firewood you can collect fallen trees in national forests and BLM land which will likely be near by..its a lot of work however

one of the reasons i am against logging out own property is because logging is a pure white man's honest living in the US and they know way more than i ever could hope to and we should support these people and they will proviude necessary services for us better than we could for ourselves

i can see that, that's a good reason

there is alot that we can get from the outside and support wholly white owned enterprises that have been in the family for generations type...basically all building materials are this way im from a diverse area yet the lumberyards all staff white people whereas big places like home depot are very hit and miss

there are also many ways to barter with these people...they probably wont be great with computers or even finances so we would have people that could help modernize their businesses or do their taxes etc. and receive a similar benefit on the products we need

anything tech I could do, that's my specialty

exactly there are a lot like you im just spit balling ...not really my specialty but you get the ideajust simple side jobs that would strengthen our suppliers and the community

that sounds good, I like that

For firewood look into setting up coppice and pollards for your trees.

endless firewood without killing the trees

Grow it out a little older and you can likely get some good fence posts out of them

Does anyone know the legality of having 1 person buy land, 10 acres for example, establishing a main road, then having a community of people all build several houses together, then selling each house with a small bit of land to each family/person, but it being surrounded by the 1st guys property? Sorry if it doesnt make sense.

Well, for a sustainable permaculture a family of 8 needs 5 acres

Also im not sure if its provincial or municipal but many places only allow 1 house per 100 acres to "protect the environmeng"

Also housing laws may require each place to have their own water and electrical

Many municipal laws in place may prevent commune type scenarios

Been watching a lot of homestead house build videos and it seems as if $1,500 in solar panels pretty much covers 1 house

I cant imagine youd be forced to have electricity

Its a thing where i live

Its illegal to not have electro

who's gonna lead the thing? who will be the face

We're not a political movement

we need a king though

We don't have a leader, were a community

hm....who will buy the property?

We all will

at once?

It's a joint venture

cool, do we have a total yet?

No, were still planning

just an estimate would be worth looking at

Generally 2-5k an acre is a good starting point

that might be enough to raise our own food

how about power?

For a home around 1200 sq.ft. this cost ranges between $3500-$8000. If an electrician can run most of the wiring through a basement, attic, crawlspace or floor joists, the costs will land on the lower end of the estimate.

oyvey 10,000 shekels goy

Read through previous posts, solar will be a good way to keep away from the electric jew

oh....we're going off the grid?

When society collapses, do you want to rely on the US Power grid which will most likely collapse as well?

How would we maintain power

Are you certain society would collapse?

Quite a few of us are CS majors

Say you buy 5 acres for 20k $, how much would it cost to put a house down ?

300k

100k minimum

for a shack

150k shekels for the average goyim to start along

Reee and if you build your own house you have to pay out of pocket

I will most likely have a job and be making shekels like a good goy. Perhaps I can pay other goyim to give me food and such

You can get new construction loans

First we have to buy all the land at once....set up a small village with a town hall, bakery, butcher, general goods, pharmacy.. what else?

Church will probably be big for a lot of people, idk

I doubt youll have most things like that in am off the grid commune

it'd be nice to connect with our fellow citizens

Ye definitely a town hall with large dining area would be cool. Community potlucks every couple weeks

with the general consesus as being self sufficient? I see

Also you can divide the land into smaller parcels as houses are built and sell them to the occupants

we should accept qt girls with sex being the only payment

They'd all be asian

yuck

Not a very good idea

lol

Unless the goal was a hapa ethnostate with an army of elliot rogers

I highly doubt we will be 100% self reliant. Many of us will have jobs in town, hopefully ~40 minute commute max. It takes years to develop the infrastructure to support a community of 50+ people entirely on its own. Reality is we still need a USD income to buy necessities - selling organic farm products at farmers markets and online is probably the best way to go about this

@StaysafeTV - 191 lb Muscle Man I agree we need a dynamic approach

Hate to say it, but you should all research how cults do it. They diversify their assets.

I suggest a class system

Use state support to support the commune

Drain the anti white system

Dont pay tax into it

With state support comes oversight and meddling

At least in America