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theres something really romantic about how alcohol is made
i barely drink myself but I really want to make whisky or beer someday
^
maybe sell it to hipsters for a good profit
yes
"traditional, home-made whiskey"
i just need me a nice cuban cigar
la gloria cubana
I've made beer, it's not as glamorous as it looks.
ayy portugal :) my homeland
that looks delicious
nice
how many people can live off 1 acre? 4?
i doubt it
it depends on the climate and soil, and wether or not you want to eat meat because meat is alot harder to produce per calorie than crops
also you dont want to push the land you have to its limit because that leads to food insecurity
chicken doesn't need much space
and you could still hunt
you also need to produce your own firewood
true but i would get solar panels
safe me some of work
You don't need to cut trees
You can always use the ones that have collapsed
Cutting trees is only fine if it is an emergency
@_CREWMAN do you have any higher quality versions of that first picture?
Nope, searched it every where
damn
shamelessly stolen from the maine discord
Did my first hydroponic harvest today. Lots of spinach and lettuce.
Very nice!
thats really cool
You need 1 acre to support one family for 1 year, if I remember correctly ๐ค
or it was 1 person.. Can't recall
it seriously depends
if you're neeting it up hardcore in the middle of nowhere, maybe
once you are looking at even a small community growing, it gets a lot easier, you need a lot less land
theres a pretty vibrant small scale farming community on the jewtubes, look at urban farming for small footprint stuff, check out polyface farms for alternative ranching ideas
joel salatin is probably a nut, but he runs a successful ranch in a sustainable manner
1 acre for 1 family might be enough if youre good
an acre is a lot of land
if you are growing wheat or corn, sure, acreage is key
t. farmers son, for what its worth
@neetkthx
Wouldn't it be ideal for a community to exist and each family/person specialize is growing their own thing instead of everything diversifying like crazy on their own plots
I mean that would help foster growth for an economy within our hypothetical homestead community too so
Here's a good infograph for what you can do with what kind of achreage.
@nERO I imagine that will happen naturally, people do what theyre best at and trade for the rest
or do whatever is the most profitable
thats a really good graphic cdemir
nero, yeah, basically in small farming communities it breaks out like that, if we arent talking about going full luddite or assuming that america falls apart tomorrow, most folks can get by with a victory garden that produces the interesting parts of their meals, while your full time farmers will grow staple crops/ranch animals/manage orchards
most broadleaf salad greens grow fast and expire/bolt quickly, so everyone growing spinach is silly
with things like tomatoes/squash/cukes, you are looking at canning/pickling to preserve them
taters are conditionable, beans/corn are dryable, wheat is storable, but you need an exponential amount of land for those
a lot of these infogormphics assume that you're just going to grow what you eat now, ie a shitload of corn and wheat
even living a 'simpler' life, you'd probably have a half acre at best of farmed land, some chickens in a chicken tractor, and you'd supliment your diet with weekly visits to the farmers market to sell your excess/socialize with people
i dont particularly ascribe to the 'build a huwhite community in the wilderness and relearn how to make the wheel' ideal that tends to get thrown around
yeah were not doing that
a few people seemed to want that but what they do is up to them
it might be the american in me, but damn if im more than a couple hours from a costco thats probably a no go
we just want a sustainable community
and this is coming from someone who has raised chickens from chick to processing
im unwilling to walk too far backwards
the urban farming stuff on the tubes is great info for what can be done on an acre, and what an acre actually looks like, curtis green is a hippie fuck, but he actually works his plots in most of his vids, and i think he's still under an acre total
whos curtis green, youtube search doesnt give me anything
curtis stone, excuse me
oh i saw his vids
understand that his business model preys on hipsters
but its still valid if you're close enough to a big city
he cash crops salad greens and rare-ish veggies mostly for upscale restaurant consumption
you also have jean-martin fortier who mass markets on >10 acres in quebec
they require a perpetual supply of chemical fertalizers though dont they?
haha nope
just compost?
their appeal is organic no-till
the reason jm fortier makes bank is because they can advertise as full organic, they dont even use a tractor to prep beds
im pretty amazed they can make that much food
the really nice thing about a lot of the urban guys, is that you have to grow holistically in those locations or you burn out your soil immediately
your backyard suburban lot doesnt have 200 years of loam in it to suck dry, so you have to take different steps
i mean, the big farm guys could do this too, but its economy of scale
if you have 1000 acres of corn, if you cant get a linear return on investment(money or time), you arent going to do it
these dudes working small land, they dont have the option or manpower to just buy more land and plant more crops
1000 acre guy isnt going to spend 900 bucks to make 905 bucks, not when he can just crank up the john deere cornfucker 9000 and print subsidy money
yeah and only so many people care about organic food
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