but it does give an idea how much effort and work was put into it

Yes, I'm trying though to figure out if other people also realize how recreating lets say, classical art today would be a folly

1995 and before

http://www.deathmetal.org/

😃

is that your site?

yes

ree

I am not the editor now

but founder

nice

a-art can still be technical in today's times and still be good

hr giger was both technical and had style

Let's take music today for example, to demonstrate a point

Music has obviously, techinally moved from Symphonies, since people can now both produce music in their own studio

And can listen it on their youtube

< make music ez

And thats the only reality of that

So now that we are left with that, we have 3 dicourses: dance music, "cerebral music", and everything that stems from jazz/blues/latino and simiar rhythms

and folk music i guess

i dont know crap about music so ill bow out of this one

visual arts are more of my thing

Now imagine someone today, in this year, trying to compose a symphony

Wouldn't that be a major folly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBQalkIeE7s

#goodmusic

how about metal? some of them stick rather closely to symphonic structure

progressive metal/math rock

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heavy influence by classical music

well there's andreas waldetoft

IMO, metal was a product of guitar and amp age, and Its' just fine

and movie soundtracks

i like metal

iron maiden.

And if you look at the lyrics, in metal there's almost no pathos of big words, philosophies such as in rock and roll

pantera.

it's mostly themed music

not really

there's no social bullhit as in Queens and stuff

i can point out NIN, SoaD and Metallica

anyone watching https://www.youtube.com/user/ThuleanPerspective btw?

off thr top of my head

Yeah, they are kind of softer

Look at Slayer, it's all music inspired by popular themes, and hey, that's reality

great perspective trying to reconstruct the old religions imo

Yes, I'm watching Varg

He is sometimes very correct, and sometimes he has no idea what's he talking about

thats pretty much everyone who exists

Haha, yes it just dawned on me too

i think his reconstruction effort is very laudable

He's terrible at antrophology

he's trying to pull paganism into the currentYear, rather sucessfully imo

He misses things by margins of thousands of years

oops

I'm sort of a pagan too, but I'm realistic about paganism as well in a way

how so?

Well, Paganism isn't a substitute to faith

It can't possibly be

my faith is nature and consciousness. isn't that a pagan faith?

yes

hail paganism

Neo-Paganism is both folkish and racial

Obviously all European Pagan religions are one and the same, with varying degrees of methaphysical sophistication (we need that guy now)

http://www.amerika.org/texts/against-the-neo-pagans-julius-evola/

ze knows zir gender

oh wow that evola text is very appropriate for me

Do you have his works? Worth having, plus Nietzsche, Kant and Schopenhauer

i keep having audio problems, going to refresh again

only Ride the Tiger

just started it though

eines tages mussin wir in deutsch sprechen

Ah, you will love it. Fun book.

mussen*

Somewhere there are some of these texts in ebook form

If you are interested, email me and I will look

Yeah Evola had point, but Evola is traditionalist

Sadly English only

i don't entirely agree with the characterization of "imprisonment in Nature"

for them, transcendence is real as a starting point

Is traditionalism bad?

i think "Nature" *is* transcendental

No, I consider myself a Traditionalist

ultimately it is a direct connection with the basic layer of existence

Recent writings on religion: http://www.amerika.org/science/evidence-versus-logical-fact/

the thing the Upanishads hint at

Nature is the logical system, like your operating system

But then the operating system has unexpected behaviors

Programs can run on it

Their actions are not always anticipated

I won't argue against Evola's point, I come to it in a way when i say I don't consider possible a Neo-Paganism as a faith

http://www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/The_Doctrine_of_Awakening.rtf

I have that book

http://www.juliusevola.com/julius_evola/texts/decadence.txt

great read, slow, but very insightful

Great book

Probably my favorite

doctrine ?

Yes, I think it's his clearest

About general concepts

i stopped at half-way of practice part, since i culdnt proceed with practice

but principles parts is pure gold

It's kind of impossible to really practice ascesis if you don't live alone

oh wow. goosebumps reading that

decadence

"They know not warriors, only soldiers."

Yeah, modern war as a large scale hostage situation

save civillians and stuff

this is really gold

"It no longer knows Wisdom. It ignores the majestic silence of those who have mastered themselves: the enlightened calm of seers, the exalted reality of those in whom the idea becomes blood, life, and power. Instead it is drowning in the rhetoric of "philosophy" and "culture", the speciality of professors, journalists, and sportsmen who issue plans, programs, and proclamations."

thanks @diversity_is_racism

DIR, were those articles on Amerika yours ?

Oh i cheked now

I'm of a feeling that anybody today, who is beyond all these agitations of faiths, of Muslims, Evangelicals, all these masses, social pathos, problems, global suffering

Who isn't informed by sociology of masses altogheter

Cannot adhere to a faith, culturally and aesthetically purified

Such as let' say, reconstructed Nordic neopaganism

why not?

Because it's a gimmick

hmm. i think aesthetics has its place as well

ultimately the truth is deeper than any aeshtetic

but you need something to wear, so to speak

I would say my "pagan" also includes Buddhas teachings

and Upanishads

yes, definitely

same here

So your belief system is not informed by a reconstructed and purified Nordic revival right

You are kind of trying to connect as many dots using whatever is available, correct ?

Whatever you think is relevant and substantial

correct, but I choose to focus it in reconstructed Nordic religion as an aesthetic choice

i think the interesting belief systems are very intimately connected, they aim at the same truth

and I happen to like Nordic culture

so it's a bit of a Frankenreligion I guess

Yes, but that aesthetic choice is after all, a folksih choice

Much more to do with folkish identiy, rather than transcendence

www.twitch.tv/mr_scapegoat

Of course, we can say Eddas and Nordic myth are very good, purely Aryan philosophical sources

yeah, frankenreligion

good word

but it ends up closer to my heart (so to speak) than the specific available religions

Well, once a person really moves beyond, or more precisely, when prayers and salvation fades from his mindset

He does kind of marry himself with certain aesthetics

Aesthetics of distance, dignity, warrior spirit

Nordic or Slavic aesthetics display that sure

yes, exactly

And then only all these immigrations, agitations, unwashed masses start to really disgust him

What gets me is all the glory, heroism and sacrifice being thrown away

in favor of paper thin ideals like "equality"

In favor of trivialities really

One life, one completely irrelevant spark

Hey, theres a fate of nation being decided in Syria, an entire historical moment

Yet they post photos of this or that kid, somebody who tweeted from Aleppo or whatever

Sense of greatness is like gone for good, only that matters is some social drama

I think we have a chance of reviving it

I'm not a particularly special person and I feel the emptiness

so chances are others are too

*feeling it

And if it takes an ethno-nationalist counterculture made up of hashtags and frog memes, so be it

there's a sense of glory again

it's a pool that has a philosophical deep end as well as a shallow end

I almost have to agree with Spencer here, that if there is going to be a struggle at all

It will be a struggle of Racial blocks

But politics are still way way bigger than us

Power centers and thei rules

us = racial block, or us = alt-right

?

I don't know

there are entire corners of White lands where nobody has any idea of what Alt Right is

But everyone knows what being White is

White struggles is something that has previously been exclusivelly a thing of Nordic people, Americans, Britons etc

and Russians and Poles were also big on it

But now the tide of color is being pretty evident to all Europeans

Agreed, I think the "migrant crisis" is the great unifier for our movement

As you said, everyone could see the wave, as well as the ugly face of liberalism

The question is, how many will accept the new normal?

Well there is no Right Wing tide yet, I mean in reality

We still have power centers which play their own, very fragmented game

We have Moscow which is still ruled by a statist doctrine, not racial

We have Tel Aviv which isn't getting any farther of their goal, quite the opposite, theres no reason to expect they will stop now

Washington which is increasingly turning against domestic opposition, hence the lull in foreign interventions

Do you think Trump will be hostile against the right?

And Coalition of Gulf states which are bank rolling every form of perversion

The revolution won't come from above, obviously

Not openly

In politics, we're past the denial and anger stage - it's bargaining by now

Jack Donovan is still my best take on Trump phenomenon

http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2016/07/no-one-will-ever-make-america-great-again/

What if "revolutioN" doesnt turn out to be political violence at all

What if we have something like Barthollomews Day massacre

Where people will just clash on the streets on purely economic and ethnic basis

Like more of upheaval than a war or revolution

That could go either way. Either everyone takes sides, and white identity politics becomes the norm - or the upheaval is isolated and crushed China-style and Americans can kiss their freedoms goodbye

I'm particularly curious about a possible collapse of the EU though

Lets say Europeans go violent against migrants

Elites can still stay in power once they restore order

And can even shift their policies in acnkowledgment

But we would not have a proper system change

if the EU fails, and individual countries are under internal stresses due to the migration, a catastrophic change might be possible

We need to raise the volatility so as to enable some kind of Black Swan to emerge

I don't think we can predict which way the table *should* tilt, but we can try tilting it *some way* until the ball gets rolling.

mixing metaphors there, sorry

Some states are already forming mini blocks, V4 comes to mind

But in case of major Eu collapse, some fringes of Europe will become vulnerable for exploitation

Balkans in particular

Exploitation by whom?

Turkey lets say

We still have no idea how are things going to turn out in France or Sweden

We could have a proper fragmentaton and collapse of power centers

I believe we will see it

First reaction of population would be all sorts of economical and racial flight

it's the SHTF everyone is instinctively anticipating

The one saving grace would be if economy collapsed first

Which is quite possible

But that would be ugly for many

Why would it be the saving grace?

Sorry I'm asking more than answering. I'm out of my depth here.

Well it would promote grouping and cohesion (although the opposite in some cases too)

It would deincentivize migrations, and make some recent immigrants leave

It would restore to an extent farming and other kinds of economy that are not easy to financially manipulate (though government interventions and tyranny are possible)

It would certainly present system as incapable and illegitimate

But there are dangers as well

I'm out for tonight, It was pleasure to have this discussion

See you on Gab and elsewhere

Same here, many thanks for your insight!

Goodnight all!

Good night Brett!

I'm signing off too

Thanks all for the great hangout tonight

Good night!

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freelance gig?

paid in rare pepes

ah just a quick question

if anyone is super familiar with listviews and object data sources

@HeimatFreiheitTradition

For what purpose does this discord exist?

our "official hangouts"

somewhat moderated discussions about right-wing+ topics

next one's on Sunday

I see.

so you ban people for posting pepe pictures?

nah

go right ahead

though we do have a dedicated meme channel

someone on Gab is claiming you banned them for posting a pepe picture as it was racist.

@TGnome link?

https://gab.ai/Pertinax

definitely not this place

https://gab.ai/BlackSalami