And the fact this writing is made by a catholic member, and is extremely egotistical, i consider dangerous behavior.

Please address the papal infallibility and the pope's title "coincidence"

Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the Pope, and even if it was, you are just playing games with numbers, many names can add up to 666. Likely 666 was Nero.

(reminder that 75% of roman catholic rituals and traditions are of pagan origin)

papal infallibility

Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The Development of the Christian Religion,” admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin...”

Papal infallibility is only invoked when speaking from the Chair of Peter, which connects to the Seat of Moses from the Old Testament. It basically just a guarantee that the Holy Ghost prevents the Church from formally teaching error.

Which i call falsehood on

Lol Cardinal Newman converted to Catholicism and renounced those claims!!!!!

Of course he did

I'm just saying, you should check your source. If even the person who originally wrote it denounced it, would you say it's still credible?

I suppose not

I retrack that claim

The thing is

The Catholic Church is no more

Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)

Christ promised to be with the Church until the end of time though, and to send the Holy Ghost upon the Church (ie Pentecost) though. So yes, there are clearly going to be false teachers/bad leaders in the Church, because of human nature/sin. This doesn't equate to a Great Apostasy.

You cant seriously believe the current Catholic Church is actually 'pure'

Matthew 16:18 - the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christ's Church

The Catholic Church is not Christ's Church though

The leaders of the Church? Some no. The Church as an institution though is different.

Christ's Church is not a physical church in the mortal plain

The Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to the apostles.

And yes, obviously it's not a physical/material location, but it is the Church that can most accurately be traced back to the Apostles and the teachings of Early Christians.

The Apostolic Church <:unequal:473954748517842954> the catholic church

Which branch of Baptist belief is the Apostolic Church? Please tell me.

None

The apostolic church is irrelevant

Do you believe that the Apostolic Church just began in 1609 with the beginning of the Baptist movement?

It's beliefs maybe not so, but it is not relevant to today, because there is nothing of it today

There are no middle men to mediate between God and Men besides one entity, which is no pope or bishop

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

The Bible literally commands us to hold to apostolic tradition that is handed down. The Catholic Church is the only Church that maintains this.

The Catholic Church does not maintain this

It is plagued with heresy and devilish practices

There is one mediator of the New Covenant!! This doesn't mean that we can't ask others to pray for us because that would be "mediating" or that Jesus didn't give the apostles the authority to forgive sin.

The Catholic Church is *far* into the great apostasy

The Catholic Church is the fallen church

Not the apostolic church

And even if you deny the great apostasy has happened

So you literally think the apostles failed and no Church maintains their tradition even though Christ sent the Holy Ghost upon His Church and actively promised that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it?

It *will* happen

The Church is in heaven with the apostles, what remains are their teachings

The Catholic Church is mortal not divine

And it subject to mortal flaws

The Catholic Church as an institution is divine because Christ established it. The members are flawed and mortal.

Christ did not establish the Catholic Church

Christ established the Apostolic Church

They are not the same entity

There is no direct link

The the great apostasy has been happening ever since the papacy

in the early church

The papacy literally started with St. Peter though.

In the Bible. Like he was the first pope.

It dosent mention he was "pope"

Not that im aware of anyways

It's implicit in Christ giving him the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. As much as I would like to continue this discussion, I haven't even finished praying my night prayers and it's almost 6 a.m. so I am going to get back to that, until I have to be awake in two and a half hours.

Good conversation, no ad hom.

If you're actually seriously interested in some of the claims you've made, I have no issue addressing them.

Pleasure talking with you

Same here.

Sedevacantism is retarded

so is V2 catholicism

but at least sede's aren't hypocrites

Sedevacantism denies the indefectibility of the Church.

https://youtu.be/gtI4wcA3B94

Oh I already watched it

I remember that chat of crime rate among legal and illegal immigrants used to say "hey,but migrants do less crime than natives" but completely forgetting the illegal one surpassed both of them

Protfags defending their nebulous inbred "religion".

Good stuff.

Salve.

Double U nigi

big sad

why no one speak

big sad

Capitalism looked good on paper, but then human nature meant that the workers were exploited while the boss worked less than them and claimed 100 times the wage

Haha yes

@Mahojo except that doesn't happen if your IQ is over 110

Going against capitalism is literally refuting genetic disparities

it's not as bad, but it's the same idea as socialists that believe all inequality among whites/blacks is environmental

a 90 IQ white is inferior to a white with an IQ of 120

and capitalism generally reflects this (past 120 you get diminishing returns though)

@Deleted User I very much know someone with a higher IQ has a much better chance. For some reason you assumed I ignore genetic disparities between people. So yeh someone who is smarter doesn't deserve 100 times the wage of someone who worked harder than them.

My point still stands.

I mean people with an IQ of 70 really do deserve 1/100th the wage of people with an iq of 120

for anything expect physical labor

they're far less efficient

IK they're less efficient. But in the workplace people should get what they put in in terms of risk and effort

The workers should own the bussiness and vote on important decisions, and importantly, on everyone's wage @Deleted User

then start your own business

there are a lot of coop businesses

You're literally saying you want to use government violence and men with guns to make me conform to your personal moral system, when I just want to be alone and run my own company

Well yeah you just expect me to not follow my core morals? What if I expected you to let me have sex with young children?

And surely it's more a fact of misunderstanding. Most people don't understand socialism, it's not that they actually have different morals

So you're actually against people getting paid according to how hard they work? Not whether socialism achieves this or not, just forget all of this for a second. Just answer that question straight, just as it is.

@Deleted User

I got massive deja vu from this coversation lmao

Cool it down with the samenesss reeeee

I'm bored guys... What could I do?

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