Message from @Doctor Anon
Discord ID: 474147840331874304
"VICARIVS FILII DEI."
V-5,
I-1;
C-100,
I-1;
V-S,
I-1;
L-50,
I-1;
I-1
; D-500,
I-l
— Total, 666.
Okay so onto apostolic succession, yes there is historical evidence of this practice written about in the Early Church.
I said mentioned in the bible.
Historical Events are not automatically christian doctrine
"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition"
This is St. Iraneus writing in AD 189
reading
Again, tradition is *not* on equal authority to the bible
And the fact this writing is made by a catholic member, and is extremely egotistical, i consider dangerous behavior.
Please address the papal infallibility and the pope's title "coincidence"
Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the Pope, and even if it was, you are just playing games with numbers, many names can add up to 666. Likely 666 was Nero.
(reminder that 75% of roman catholic rituals and traditions are of pagan origin)
papal infallibility
Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The Development of the Christian Religion,” admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin...”
Papal infallibility is only invoked when speaking from the Chair of Peter, which connects to the Seat of Moses from the Old Testament. It basically just a guarantee that the Holy Ghost prevents the Church from formally teaching error.
Which i call falsehood on
Lol Cardinal Newman converted to Catholicism and renounced those claims!!!!!
Of course he did
I'm just saying, you should check your source. If even the person who originally wrote it denounced it, would you say it's still credible?
I suppose not
I retrack that claim
The Catholic Church is no more
Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)
Christ promised to be with the Church until the end of time though, and to send the Holy Ghost upon the Church (ie Pentecost) though. So yes, there are clearly going to be false teachers/bad leaders in the Church, because of human nature/sin. This doesn't equate to a Great Apostasy.
You cant seriously believe the current Catholic Church is actually 'pure'
Matthew 16:18 - the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christ's Church
The Catholic Church is not Christ's Church though
The leaders of the Church? Some no. The Church as an institution though is different.
Christ's Church is not a physical church in the mortal plain
The Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to the apostles.
And yes, obviously it's not a physical/material location, but it is the Church that can most accurately be traced back to the Apostles and the teachings of Early Christians.
The Apostolic Church <:unequal:473954748517842954> the catholic church
Which branch of Baptist belief is the Apostolic Church? Please tell me.
None
The apostolic church is irrelevant
Do you believe that the Apostolic Church just began in 1609 with the beginning of the Baptist movement?
It's beliefs maybe not so, but it is not relevant to today, because there is nothing of it today
There are no middle men to mediate between God and Men besides one entity, which is no pope or bishop
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
The Bible literally commands us to hold to apostolic tradition that is handed down. The Catholic Church is the only Church that maintains this.
The Catholic Church does not maintain this