Message from @Doctor Anon

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2018-08-01 09:26:44 UTC  

I said mentioned in the bible.

2018-08-01 09:27:08 UTC  

Historical Events are not automatically christian doctrine

2018-08-01 09:27:19 UTC  

"But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the successions of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul—that church which has the tradition and the faith with which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. For with this Church, because of its superior origin, all churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world. And it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition" 
This is St. Iraneus writing in AD 189

2018-08-01 09:27:25 UTC  

reading

2018-08-01 09:28:11 UTC  

Again, tradition is *not* on equal authority to the bible

2018-08-01 09:28:49 UTC  

And the fact this writing is made by a catholic member, and is extremely egotistical, i consider dangerous behavior.

2018-08-01 09:30:24 UTC  

Please address the papal infallibility and the pope's title "coincidence"

2018-08-01 09:30:52 UTC  

Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the Pope, and even if it was, you are just playing games with numbers, many names can add up to 666. Likely 666 was Nero.

2018-08-01 09:30:57 UTC  

(reminder that 75% of roman catholic rituals and traditions are of pagan origin)

2018-08-01 09:31:14 UTC  

papal infallibility

2018-08-01 09:31:39 UTC  

Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The Development of the Christian Religion,” admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin...”

2018-08-01 09:32:04 UTC  

Papal infallibility is only invoked when speaking from the Chair of Peter, which connects to the Seat of Moses from the Old Testament. It basically just a guarantee that the Holy Ghost prevents the Church from formally teaching error.

2018-08-01 09:32:26 UTC  

Which i call falsehood on

2018-08-01 09:32:30 UTC  

Lol Cardinal Newman converted to Catholicism and renounced those claims!!!!!

2018-08-01 09:32:42 UTC  

Of course he did

2018-08-01 09:33:20 UTC  

I'm just saying, you should check your source. If even the person who originally wrote it denounced it, would you say it's still credible?

2018-08-01 09:33:50 UTC  

I suppose not

2018-08-01 09:33:54 UTC  

I retrack that claim

2018-08-01 09:34:14 UTC  

The thing is

2018-08-01 09:34:18 UTC  

The Catholic Church is no more

2018-08-01 09:34:31 UTC  

Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)

2018-08-01 09:35:55 UTC  

Christ promised to be with the Church until the end of time though, and to send the Holy Ghost upon the Church (ie Pentecost) though. So yes, there are clearly going to be false teachers/bad leaders in the Church, because of human nature/sin. This doesn't equate to a Great Apostasy.

2018-08-01 09:36:20 UTC  

You cant seriously believe the current Catholic Church is actually 'pure'

2018-08-01 09:36:36 UTC  

Matthew 16:18 - the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christ's Church

2018-08-01 09:36:58 UTC  

The Catholic Church is not Christ's Church though

2018-08-01 09:37:06 UTC  

The leaders of the Church? Some no. The Church as an institution though is different.

2018-08-01 09:37:19 UTC  

Christ's Church is not a physical church in the mortal plain

2018-08-01 09:37:34 UTC  

The Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to the apostles.

2018-08-01 09:38:24 UTC  

And yes, obviously it's not a physical/material location, but it is the Church that can most accurately be traced back to the Apostles and the teachings of Early Christians.

2018-08-01 09:39:02 UTC  

The Apostolic Church <:unequal:473954748517842954> the catholic church

2018-08-01 09:39:38 UTC  

Which branch of Baptist belief is the Apostolic Church? Please tell me.

2018-08-01 09:40:16 UTC  

None

2018-08-01 09:40:31 UTC  

The apostolic church is irrelevant

2018-08-01 09:40:39 UTC  

Do you believe that the Apostolic Church just began in 1609 with the beginning of the Baptist movement?

2018-08-01 09:41:04 UTC  

It's beliefs maybe not so, but it is not relevant to today, because there is nothing of it today

2018-08-01 09:41:28 UTC  

There are no middle men to mediate between God and Men besides one entity, which is no pope or bishop

2018-08-01 09:41:41 UTC  

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

2018-08-01 09:41:57 UTC  

The Bible literally commands us to hold to apostolic tradition that is handed down. The Catholic Church is the only Church that maintains this.

2018-08-01 09:42:28 UTC  

The Catholic Church does not maintain this

2018-08-01 09:42:41 UTC  

It is plagued with heresy and devilish practices

2018-08-01 09:42:55 UTC  

There is one mediator of the New Covenant!! This doesn't mean that we can't ask others to pray for us because that would be "mediating" or that Jesus didn't give the apostles the authority to forgive sin.