Message from @Doctor Anon
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The Catholic Church is no more
Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)
Christ promised to be with the Church until the end of time though, and to send the Holy Ghost upon the Church (ie Pentecost) though. So yes, there are clearly going to be false teachers/bad leaders in the Church, because of human nature/sin. This doesn't equate to a Great Apostasy.
You cant seriously believe the current Catholic Church is actually 'pure'
Matthew 16:18 - the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christ's Church
The Catholic Church is not Christ's Church though
The leaders of the Church? Some no. The Church as an institution though is different.
Christ's Church is not a physical church in the mortal plain
The Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to the apostles.
And yes, obviously it's not a physical/material location, but it is the Church that can most accurately be traced back to the Apostles and the teachings of Early Christians.
The Apostolic Church <:unequal:473954748517842954> the catholic church
Which branch of Baptist belief is the Apostolic Church? Please tell me.
None
The apostolic church is irrelevant
Do you believe that the Apostolic Church just began in 1609 with the beginning of the Baptist movement?
It's beliefs maybe not so, but it is not relevant to today, because there is nothing of it today
There are no middle men to mediate between God and Men besides one entity, which is no pope or bishop
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
The Bible literally commands us to hold to apostolic tradition that is handed down. The Catholic Church is the only Church that maintains this.
The Catholic Church does not maintain this
There is one mediator of the New Covenant!! This doesn't mean that we can't ask others to pray for us because that would be "mediating" or that Jesus didn't give the apostles the authority to forgive sin.
The Catholic Church is *far* into the great apostasy
The Catholic Church is the fallen church
Not the apostolic church
And even if you deny the great apostasy has happened
So you literally think the apostles failed and no Church maintains their tradition even though Christ sent the Holy Ghost upon His Church and actively promised that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it?
It *will* happen
The Church is in heaven with the apostles, what remains are their teachings
The Catholic Church is mortal not divine
And it subject to mortal flaws
The Catholic Church as an institution is divine because Christ established it. The members are flawed and mortal.
Christ did not establish the Catholic Church
Christ established the Apostolic Church
They are not the same entity
There is no direct link
The the great apostasy has been happening ever since the papacy
in the early church
The papacy literally started with St. Peter though.
In the Bible. Like he was the first pope.
It dosent mention he was "pope"