papal infallibility

Cardinal Newman, in his book, “The Development of the Christian Religion,” admits that ... “Temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, holidays and season of devotions, processions, blessing of fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests and monks and nuns), images ... are all of pagan origin...”

Papal infallibility is only invoked when speaking from the Chair of Peter, which connects to the Seat of Moses from the Old Testament. It basically just a guarantee that the Holy Ghost prevents the Church from formally teaching error.

Which i call falsehood on

Lol Cardinal Newman converted to Catholicism and renounced those claims!!!!!

Of course he did

I'm just saying, you should check your source. If even the person who originally wrote it denounced it, would you say it's still credible?

I suppose not

I retrack that claim

The thing is

The Catholic Church is no more

Both Peter and Paul predicted and warned that in the later times "false teachers" would rise within the Church and bring in "damnable heresies" and "doctrines of devils". (Read 2nd Peter 2:1-3, and 1st Timothy 3:2-5)

Christ promised to be with the Church until the end of time though, and to send the Holy Ghost upon the Church (ie Pentecost) though. So yes, there are clearly going to be false teachers/bad leaders in the Church, because of human nature/sin. This doesn't equate to a Great Apostasy.

You cant seriously believe the current Catholic Church is actually 'pure'

Matthew 16:18 - the gates of Hell will not prevail against Christ's Church

The Catholic Church is not Christ's Church though

The leaders of the Church? Some no. The Church as an institution though is different.

Christ's Church is not a physical church in the mortal plain

The Catholic Church is the only Church that can be traced back to the apostles.

And yes, obviously it's not a physical/material location, but it is the Church that can most accurately be traced back to the Apostles and the teachings of Early Christians.

The Apostolic Church <:unequal:473954748517842954> the catholic church

Which branch of Baptist belief is the Apostolic Church? Please tell me.

None

The apostolic church is irrelevant

Do you believe that the Apostolic Church just began in 1609 with the beginning of the Baptist movement?

It's beliefs maybe not so, but it is not relevant to today, because there is nothing of it today

There are no middle men to mediate between God and Men besides one entity, which is no pope or bishop

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

The Bible literally commands us to hold to apostolic tradition that is handed down. The Catholic Church is the only Church that maintains this.

The Catholic Church does not maintain this

It is plagued with heresy and devilish practices

There is one mediator of the New Covenant!! This doesn't mean that we can't ask others to pray for us because that would be "mediating" or that Jesus didn't give the apostles the authority to forgive sin.

The Catholic Church is *far* into the great apostasy

The Catholic Church is the fallen church

Not the apostolic church

And even if you deny the great apostasy has happened

So you literally think the apostles failed and no Church maintains their tradition even though Christ sent the Holy Ghost upon His Church and actively promised that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against it?

It *will* happen

The Church is in heaven with the apostles, what remains are their teachings

The Catholic Church is mortal not divine

And it subject to mortal flaws