i already told you why it wasnt fascist

@Hugh De Paduinan horseshoe theory is not true

it's almost like you guys don't know what fascism is and throw it at any authoritarian rule

I'd disagree, communism and fascism in their names are different of course, but how they've been enacted throughout history

they're the same pretty much

they do not

Marx's philosophy is directly materialist and fascism is from idealist philosophy

they aren't near similar at all

Fascism isn't socialist

No it's not

National Socialism is already a thing

and Natsoc isn't fascist either

Do you know what national socialism is

it is the spiritual vanguard and awakening of a race with its politics being pragmatic solely to the race

that isn't fascism

it isn't

fascism is the hegelian rejection of Marxism through actual idealism

No that isn't the case either

A common trait of fascism is to achieve the state of the ideal man

just like any other masculine authoritarian politik

they aren't even alike or philosophically based similarily

Mussolini didn't agree with Hitler's ideas or politics at all

the fascist party in italy was in power long before hitler

Mussolini wished Hitler's ideas away many times

Dont fuckin put us in the same box as natsocs

The germans are the enemys of the italian people

no

that doesnt even make sense

how do you compromise that

how can a fascist be a natsoc

if theyre two differing ideas

completely

:/

hsut up mororono

Fascism =/= NatSoc

Huge difference

Dab

Not all fascists are National Socialists

All National Socialists are fascists

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national socialism is not fascist @Deleted User

@Da_Fish national socialism is not fascist

National Socialism is not fascist

Are you people fucking retarded

Fascism and national socialism are quite similar

They are completely separate ideologies

Similar does not mean same

it's a step further than similar

they're completely unrelated

natsoc's politics are pragmatic

meaning they can be anything that presents as pragmatic to the spiritual vanguard of the race

"pragmatic"

That's where I disagree

I'm reading Mein kampf currently, he definitely has ideology

it's the point of national socialism

natsocs are fascists lol

No they're not

S e p e r a t e

not even nazi germany could be considered fascist

it had very social democratic politics a la Bismarck

the first part is flat out wrong

the second part is okay

no it was very social democratic

insofar as labor participation and organization beside capital

it was practically Bismarck's economics on steroids

Hitler opposed Social Democracy mate?

his part was literally the socdem party

it came from the DAP

He fought against them in his Venice and constriction days

He indentified them as a bunch of power hungry corrupters who poisoned the lower classes

yes that is how he viewed their inability to progress the gemeinschaft

but the SPD literally melted into the DAP and NSDAP

and he continued the economics of the SPD

Hitler directly believed everything the Social Democrats did was hurtful to the people

Why would he continue policies which he identified as hurtful to the people

He literally continued Bismarck's economic plan

He just universalized who the dividend goes to

from heavy industries

and so on

Nazi Germany was not Fascist, you Horse-shoeist

@L0GAN

I'm a Fascist myself, fyi

Germany had shit tons of Social programs and was war-driven

The only way to completely achieve Hitler's ideals was through war, and nothing else could be done about it

ofc Mussolini had his ideals about the new Roman Empire, but that was low on the bucket list when compared to everything else

But I'm talking too much about the iconic figureheads

NatSoc is Socially Nationalistic

That was the main thing of it

which a lot of people fail to realize

whilst Fascism is the Supremacy of the state with utmost loyalty to the nation, adhering to the ideals proposed in the DoF (Doctrines of Fascism), with no rules for exception, nor "tolerance" or "equality"

Fascist Italy didn't do that well from what I understand

Nazi Germany had mass privatization, but also strong market regulation and expanded social programs.

They sold a ton of state owned industries if I recall correctly

And nationalized alot

yeah, they nationalized Jewish businesses and things they needed for the war

for example

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they literally nationalized next to nothing

for peace time