Copies our position, Sad!

jesus christ, i'm not even a stalinist or a maoist but this is too much

Until woopsie daisy good old Mao took power and “accidentally” murdered 10’s of millions

His first position was to give money as a gift to foreigners

Then he made it a carbon copy of ours

FUCK ME OUR GROUP WAS GOOD BUT HE HAD TO DICK IT UP GOD DAMMIT

Then he deleted it!

yes, this is due to failings in maoist doctrine but he still managed to bring china into the first world.

Even now they struggle, starvation is common, price of living is too high, birth limits

Why is there an anarchist party 😂

Idk @Nikola Tesla (Joshua)

Thats kinda interesting

BECUASE COMMUNISM CAN NEVER REALISTICALLY BE ACHIEVED

Counter productive no?

the fact that anarchism can be a party...

You keep excusing massive failures and genocides with “oh it wasn’t real communism” and “it was a small price too pay”

But you just face the facts that it simply cannot be achieved, otherwise it would have been achieved by now.

but it has been

Where?

Where has it been achieved?

Vietnam? Nope

Laos? No

Ethiopia? Definately NOT

China? Fell back on capitalism

the cnt-fai in the spanish civil war, for one

in vietnam 99% of the population believes the free market is good according to pew

Why thanks for that info

democratic socialism in allende's chile and dubcek's czechoslovakia

Where has fascism been achieved?

communes in europe during the 1848 revolutions

the paris commune

>Allende's Chile

He was voted in with 36% of the vote

yes, due to divisions in the other major parties

Paris Commune quickly fell apart

In a matter of months actually

it didn't fall apart, it was invaded

When Pinochet had a final vote on whether he should leave or stay, 44% of the population voted for him to stay.

because all the leftists got offed.

The military dictator that overthrew the "democratic socialist" government was more popular than the fucking democratic socialist

Chile is a nation with 18 million people

They would have needed to kill millions of people to have a result

Not above communists

That’s a simple price to pay

most death counts are vastly overblown and arose due to various factors beyond their control

and even if they did kill all of those people with their dirty, grubby hands

what about capitalism's death toll?

right, the governments under capitalism killed many people

That has existed for hundreds of years versus decades

I'm sure you're gonna include heart disease on the same level as being sent to a gulag and frozen to death

You call causing a famine or killing your own people because they refused to give you their cows factors they cant control

http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

Havig tanks run over villahes for refusal to believe in the communist party

Or just killing anyone against it

How

Will they

Recover

i never said that i agreed with authoritarian measures. but when capitalism needed tweaking, we didn't throw it out, did we?

limiting the reach of the market is not the same as implementing a system as autistic as communism

The thing is Capitalism can work when changed

It is run by a market and the people

so can socialism, when the government represents the interests of the people

right

since when do fascists care about things being run by the people?

Tfw you’re a commie but don’t want a totalitarian

By it’s nature Capitalism is constantly shifting

when it benefits the national interest it can be very healthy

Thats what fascism is about ^

but it still reflects the same core values of people with the most capital obtaining more and more capital and having a stranglehold on the means of production.

capitalism, i mean.

a small business owner is not strangling the hold on the means of production

I think he’s talking about the larger companies

that i am.

you can have deals worked out between the working class and business owner

Even then, new companies come along and reinvent things to make it better, thus changing a new cycle in the market

but the business owner will still control the means of production and will still control the flow of capital

so?

Because he runs and manages the business

It makes logical sense he controls where it goes based off of perfomance

if a person can still feed his family and be fulfilled at the end of the day, what is wrong with that

really? business owners delegate most of their tasks anyways.

And the needs of the company

and why shouldn't the workers, if that were the case, elect their bosses or something similar?

because the boss put up the money

Because if that was the case it would be musical chairs with businesses

to buy the lot in the first place and build the company

because of the material conditions that they were born in, that they had no control over?

who's to say exactly

anyways, there should be access at the lower levels of capital to build a business

would thomas edison be able to still invent the lightbulb if he wasn't born into a middle-class family, educated, and given jobs to where he had the opportunity to tinker with various electrical components and acquire enough capital to start a business?

and a father who built his business should be allowed to pass it on to his offspring

to put that risk forward?

Would somebody in uganda be able to do the same?

would they be able to do anything if they had no source of running water or roads to travel to town?

we have roads and we have running water

we are not ancaps

the market has an endpoint

you absolutely should be able to have a decent education at a lower income gap

Yes, what i'm saying is that "because somebody put the effort forth to start a business" isn't a good argument because so much of that is due to material conditions one is offered at birth or other circumstanced beyond their control

what I'm saying is that implementing fucking communism to accomplish that is an extreme and idiotic overcorrection