what about capitalism's death toll?

right, the governments under capitalism killed many people

That has existed for hundreds of years versus decades

I'm sure you're gonna include heart disease on the same level as being sent to a gulag and frozen to death

You call causing a famine or killing your own people because they refused to give you their cows factors they cant control

http://guerrillaontologies.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/

Havig tanks run over villahes for refusal to believe in the communist party

Or just killing anyone against it

How

Will they

Recover

i never said that i agreed with authoritarian measures. but when capitalism needed tweaking, we didn't throw it out, did we?

limiting the reach of the market is not the same as implementing a system as autistic as communism

The thing is Capitalism can work when changed

It is run by a market and the people

so can socialism, when the government represents the interests of the people

right

since when do fascists care about things being run by the people?

Tfw you’re a commie but don’t want a totalitarian

By it’s nature Capitalism is constantly shifting

when it benefits the national interest it can be very healthy

Thats what fascism is about ^

but it still reflects the same core values of people with the most capital obtaining more and more capital and having a stranglehold on the means of production.

capitalism, i mean.

a small business owner is not strangling the hold on the means of production

I think he’s talking about the larger companies

that i am.

you can have deals worked out between the working class and business owner

Even then, new companies come along and reinvent things to make it better, thus changing a new cycle in the market

but the business owner will still control the means of production and will still control the flow of capital

so?

Because he runs and manages the business

It makes logical sense he controls where it goes based off of perfomance

if a person can still feed his family and be fulfilled at the end of the day, what is wrong with that

really? business owners delegate most of their tasks anyways.

And the needs of the company

and why shouldn't the workers, if that were the case, elect their bosses or something similar?

because the boss put up the money

Because if that was the case it would be musical chairs with businesses

to buy the lot in the first place and build the company

because of the material conditions that they were born in, that they had no control over?