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2018-10-16 05:54:45 UTC

because there is no medium

2018-10-16 05:54:47 UTC

a prollor on a ship pushes the water

2018-10-16 05:54:51 UTC

exactly

2018-10-16 05:54:52 UTC

yep

2018-10-16 05:54:54 UTC

well, rockets use a different way to propel themselves

2018-10-16 05:55:20 UTC

not significantly different enough to push itself in a vacuum

2018-10-16 05:55:24 UTC

a propeller requires a medium to push in order to create lift

2018-10-16 05:55:37 UTC

you need to be traveling by some other method, like light sails or something that works in that medium

2018-10-16 05:55:49 UTC

you know that flies cannot fly in a vacuum

2018-10-16 05:55:55 UTC

when you eject alot of stuff very quickly through a small area is creates thrust

2018-10-16 05:55:58 UTC

someone put flies in a vacuum and tested it

2018-10-16 05:56:03 UTC

it didnt fly

2018-10-16 05:56:04 UTC

๐Ÿฟ

2018-10-16 05:56:24 UTC

appearantly they can survive but they cannot fly without enough atmosphere

2018-10-16 05:56:31 UTC

rockets dont use wings or propellors though

2018-10-16 05:56:52 UTC

its a 3rd way to generate kinetic energy

2018-10-16 05:56:58 UTC

rockets have some stabalizors

2018-10-16 05:57:17 UTC

they aren't flapping wings though which would create lift

2018-10-16 05:57:40 UTC

...

2018-10-16 05:58:00 UTC

we can't survive in a vacuum too

2018-10-16 05:58:12 UTC

mind if i do a quick run through on rockets and you tell me what you find wrong kevin?

2018-10-16 05:58:20 UTC

go ahead

2018-10-16 05:58:23 UTC

alright

2018-10-16 05:58:41 UTC

we know how propellers work, by pushing air or another medium

2018-10-16 05:58:51 UTC

but rockets use a different method to generate thrust

2018-10-16 05:59:34 UTC

they do this by ejecting extremely hot pressurized gasses through a small opening

2018-10-16 06:00:13 UTC

the reason it goes through the small opening is so it has a higher pressure inside the fuel tank

2018-10-16 06:00:30 UTC

which in turn ejects the material extremely fast outward

2018-10-16 06:02:07 UTC

now, newtons's 3rd law states any reaction has an equal and opposite reaction, meaning when the gasses are ejected backward, the rocket is ejected forward. once the gas leaves the nozzle its useless and serves no other purpose.

2018-10-16 06:03:14 UTC

welcome to reality

2018-10-16 06:03:24 UTC

air only slows rockets down because of air resistance, in a vacuum the gasses would eject faster and there would be no air resistance, only helping the rocket

2018-10-16 06:04:14 UTC

any problems you've thought of?

2018-10-16 06:04:30 UTC

yes, rockets need something to push off of

2018-10-16 06:04:35 UTC

its a propellant

2018-10-16 06:04:36 UTC

i explained that yes

2018-10-16 06:05:09 UTC

it propels something forward by pushing off something

2018-10-16 06:05:17 UTC

yep

2018-10-16 06:05:24 UTC

there isn't enough surface area to propel the rocket forward with nothing to push off of

2018-10-16 06:05:35 UTC

it pushes off of the fuel coming out of the nozzle

2018-10-16 06:05:52 UTC

just like in this latest video the air balloon will not move the car in a vacuum

2018-10-16 06:06:07 UTC

propellant of the air won't push it forward just like a rocket won't

2018-10-16 06:06:33 UTC

are you comparing blowing air to push a car to a rocket?

2018-10-16 06:06:33 UTC

look at latest video

2018-10-16 06:07:09 UTC

I'm comparing stuff that works in atmosphere that doesn't work in a vacuum

2018-10-16 06:07:22 UTC

both throwing stuff out the back end to push it forward

2018-10-16 06:07:54 UTC

(propellant)

2018-10-16 06:08:03 UTC

a vacuum is one of the lightest things out there, so a helium balloon wouldn't float

2018-10-16 06:08:04 UTC

and both are gas in nature

2018-10-16 06:08:16 UTC

a drone wont fly because there is no medium

2018-10-16 06:08:18 UTC

vacuum is basically nothing

2018-10-16 06:08:21 UTC

yep

2018-10-16 06:08:36 UTC

a rocket, generating its own thrust, would fly in the vacuum

2018-10-16 06:08:54 UTC

don't think so

2018-10-16 06:09:07 UTC

thrust needs something to push off of

2018-10-16 06:09:09 UTC

here, tell me how rockets work

2018-10-16 06:09:19 UTC

what they do to generate thrust

2018-10-16 06:09:42 UTC

they are propelling gas out the back end to push it forward

2018-10-16 06:09:50 UTC

thats all you need to say

2018-10-16 06:09:51 UTC

in an atmosphere they have something to push off of

2018-10-16 06:09:59 UTC

and something to push into

2018-10-16 06:10:06 UTC

which slows down the rocket

2018-10-16 06:10:15 UTC

in a vacuum they have nothing to push off of

2018-10-16 06:10:18 UTC

rocket won't move

2018-10-16 06:10:21 UTC

and nothing to push into

2018-10-16 06:10:34 UTC

you have a guy with a master's degree in technical physics

2018-10-16 06:10:42 UTC

telling you it won't move

2018-10-16 06:10:50 UTC

lol

2018-10-16 06:10:52 UTC

did you watch the videos I linked?

2018-10-16 06:10:52 UTC

i saw your example already

2018-10-16 06:10:59 UTC

i did for a bit

2018-10-16 06:11:18 UTC

one guy with a MSc > 100% of rocket physicists

2018-10-16 06:11:23 UTC

just showed a disturbing portrait of a man

2018-10-16 06:11:45 UTC

this guy has a master's degree in technical physics

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/484514023698726912/501638362004979722/unknown.png

2018-10-16 06:11:52 UTC

let me see

2018-10-16 06:11:57 UTC

he's telling you it has nothign to push off of, it won't work

2018-10-16 06:12:03 UTC

and hes wrong

2018-10-16 06:12:16 UTC

because he apparently doesnt understand rockets

2018-10-16 06:12:45 UTC

well, the link is up above

2018-10-16 06:13:22 UTC

lets read newtons third law by quote shall we?

2018-10-16 06:13:47 UTC

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

2018-10-16 06:13:47 UTC

maybe we should watch this video and see if he address it

2018-10-16 06:13:56 UTC

goopy

2018-10-16 06:14:00 UTC

srry

2018-10-16 06:14:10 UTC

so if I flap my arms in a vacuum, am I going anywhere?

2018-10-16 06:14:14 UTC

nope

2018-10-16 06:14:24 UTC

no medium to propel you up

2018-10-16 06:14:44 UTC

if I take an oxygen tank in a vacuum and start releasing gas, am I going to move anywhere?

2018-10-16 06:15:27 UTC

if you let the gas out at a very fast speed and a very high pressure, you're going to fall backwards from the force of the gas ejecting out the tank

2018-10-16 06:15:42 UTC

if you let it drizzle out nope

2018-10-16 06:16:43 UTC

nope, won't matter

2018-10-16 06:17:01 UTC

have you tried it yourself or are you just saying so

2018-10-16 06:17:30 UTC

you might get thrust but I don't think so, not significant amount

2018-10-16 06:18:04 UTC

depending on how fast the oxygen comes out ya you might not get much, but you still get it

2018-10-16 06:18:06 UTC

on the plus side any thrust would be better in a vacuum though

2018-10-16 06:18:16 UTC

yes it would

2018-10-16 06:18:24 UTC

because you don't need alot of thrust to move, unlike atmosphere

2018-10-16 06:18:39 UTC

no air resistance

2018-10-16 06:18:41 UTC

indeed

2018-10-16 06:20:06 UTC

you still have the problem of pushing the amount of mass foward

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