genetics predisposes certain characteristics not ALL characteristics. its like your chemical make up. one races chemical make up is different than another HOWEVER chemicals dont have any reaction unless you put them in an envirnment with other forces or chemicals to react with. the envirnment of mexico is western to the extent any genetic predisposition they have is practicly ineffectual to their value system

it much easier to explain why some people of a certain race succeed is because they assimilate into the culture rather than try to explain why suddenly genetics just ceased to an issue

White Mexicans are western becuase they are capable and alot of south America seems western because most countries in south America are run by white people but the mixed race and other races in south America aren't and don't want to be.

aussie you realize that african americans are very different than africans? and americans are very different than europeans, like europeans complain about us americans and how differnt we are all the damn time

Yes I know African Americans have some European admixture while blacks in Africa don't.

nigga they arnt white mexicans or white south americans, they are just mexicans and south americans. the only amount of white running those places is the cia and americans economy because we built up industry way before they did because we had better oppertunitys

african americans are very differnt than south africans

its culture, not race

I disagree with you there, because culture is downstream from race.

that doesent make race a more powerful force of determining social characteristics

I think it is.

culture is formed from groups of people. It is completely unrelated to race.

i mean the problem is your wrong my dude

If it isn't then why is Liberia african and not western?

you can get different cultures from people of the same race just by changing where they live

like literally. the british empire was very different than the romanians, and different than the greeks, and different than the italians

I feel like I've seen this same argument take place a few times before...

if anything europe has become more hemogenious culturally since wolrd war 2 than its ever been sence the roman expansion

I know national cultures are different from civilizational cultures.

Culturally speaking yes Europe has done that but not demography.

i dont nessicaraly think its a good thing that europe is so culturally homogenous right now because it leads people thinking culture is not as signifigant (or much more signifigant as it really is) to race

if race came before culture, then Ben Carson would not exist.

I think the cultures of Europe should be preserved and to do that you need to have Europe be European demography.

assuming they are related at all

you dont recongize the extreme differences people who are tought to think differently by the society they live in can have with eachother

Gre I'm talking about trends and averages.

that doesn't work nearly as nicely with genetics as it does with culture

because what are the chances a black guy born in Detroit would assimilate so well and become so successful from a gene pool like that?

Europen culture behind the iron curtain survived because it still had Europeans their not foreigners.

I don't care about one person I care about the average.

We aren't dealing with one or two people we are dealing with millions of people.

im tired of this arguement, you choose to think as you do reguardless of reason or evidence. you attribute to race things which dont actually consistantly apply simply because you have some people who agree with you and you and they can both misunderstand the recent findings in genetics about the importants of race and overblow it. as a race realist myself aussie i dont think you actually understand anything about genetics except simple concepts lacking the nuance of statistics behind them that simply reinforce your own opinion. you think you know something, that makes you more foolish than someone who knows nothing at all

thats not how genetics work.

if i don't have the redhead gene, i cannot give birth to a redhead

I don't think it's going anywhere so we can agree to disagree.

also if you fuck a minorty population enough it will forget its not your ethnicity, just sayin

worked for the romans

GENETIC COLONIZATION

theres a reason theres so many white people finding out they have mixed heritige

wtf

white people really are the sluts of the human race

"both of his parents came from large families in rural Georgia, and they were living in rural Tennessee when they met and married. Carson's mother was 13 and his father was 28 when they married, and after his father finished his military service, they moved from Chattanooga, Tennessee to Detroit"

were more empathic than other genetic populations on average

"here they lived in a large house in the Indian Village neighborhood.[19] Carson's older brother, Curtis, was born in 1949, when his mother was 20."

it was a different time

sure sounds like the kind of gene pool that would produce the American dream black person by aussie's standard

also tennessee is hill billy country so

i know because im north of them

i know its hill billy country. so is rural Georgia.

actually georgia isint, its more swamp than hill

#draintheswamp

but i'm just trying to prove a point that the chances of there being recessive genes in that gene pool to produce a, by aussie's standards, genetically inferior person that would become better than most if not all white people in his field is crazy low

like, middle name of Solomon? rural area of Georgia?

grew up in Detroit?

he doesn't care about a single person because it makes it so hard to explain biological race being a thing rather than culture

also true. i should say Georgia and Tennessee are both redneck country

i think the key components of culture is family, neighbers, and nation, from most important to least important. race has some effect on all 3 of those to some degree but its a minor one. no geneticist worth their degree will tell you they can predict who someone will be by looking at their genes, they can only predict the phenotypical characteristics of the body. the problem with the argument for genetic predeterminism is the degree to which the human brain of all races requires new information post birth to be added to it in order to form the person they will be in combitation with the information and functionality of that human brain. genetics can give you different human brains however the individuals those brains produce are testamount to the potental of those genetic blueprents when you add the factor of culture to the person

also, if things are genetic, why are the people who most often subscribe to aussie's ideology usually white-trash trailer park material?

i mean, we are talking about averages here, not a specific person, right?

must have been the years of inbreeding since the Hitler's prime time to "keep the race pure"

doesent matter your race, your mostly human, and mostly humans have mostly the same patitial for personality types and information storage as such most humans reguardless of genetics are far more impacted by culture than genetics. 99.8% of their genes are simply to make them the same species as eachother to think the .2% outweighs their entire life is rediculous

i think the impact race has on how one deals with culture on a social level is actually more important than the effect race has on the building blocks of being a person

growing up and the only heroes people are talking about around you bieng white and your black i think has more impact

only if you grow up in a culture that emphasis that difference.

if you grow up in a culture in which that is not really even pointed out, then it would be like all my heroes having brown eyes and i have blue.

doesn't make a difference

eh i dont think so. if the culture does empahsis that difference then it will have a greater effect but even one who doesent people slip through the gaps

you dont even need your own culture to do it, if you are impressionable and another culture points that out to you it can have an effect, which is why the "black" culture of the united states is such a problem and also part of how it got to its state

well then you can have the same problem with part of the human body

height, weight, eye color, gender

and to that extent, its not even biological race, it becomes just skin color race

yes, its a matter of role modals

which would make Italians, particularly Sicilian, not white

so its not really about race at all at that point. not really.

at least, not a concept of race that is universal across all cultures

perhaps race how different cultures describe it

its not a race exclusive issue, thats not to say race isint part of it. historicaly speaking on matters of identity politics skin color is often a stronger psychological factor than most others

which would be like how the Irish were viewed for parts of history

hell, jews have the same skin color. yet they seem to be pointed out real quick.

just general "looks"

this is more of an identity issue, or the issues between identity and culture and finding your own identity in a culture

i still don't think calling it race is really the appropriate term. Its just general looks.

people being predudice is a factor but i dont think its a soul factor

any little thing that can identify someone as an "outsider" can set off our fear reflex that makes us want to either run or destroy it

which is how we get witchhunts

the reason race is still appropriate is because those looks call into question upon self reflection where your genetics have traveled. your ancestory.

ive seen people comparing their ancestory to that of the culture they live in where they are ancestors of a genetic pull not geographicly native to the region.

im not really talking that much about predudice because in my opinion its not that common of a problem right now. it may be growing due to the avent of identity politics and the vicious cycle that creates reguardless of who starts it, but personally im more conserned what sociological trends can be observed in populations which have a culture adoption problem

yeah, but at that point you get down to the individual level and can have multiple "races" in one family which makes you not really part of any one of them. Which is why race isn't really an appropriate term because you'd have to randomly assign how far back in human history you start to count as a "race"

its easier to abstract to looks because it doesn't matter if the person is Indian or mixed race white and black, they may both group together under both having similar tan skin.

a highly nationalistic culture that is tolerent of other genetic groups not native to their region that adopts them as their own will have a better success rate with multiracial societys than cultures with very low or antinationalistic tedencys or cultures without tolerence

i dont think many western countrys are very nationalistic while at the same time being very tolerent of non native genetic pools sharing the same culture as them

i think thats not optumal for relations between people or maintaining cultural homogeny. or atleast value homogeny

there is probably a difference that needs to be defined between cultural homogeny and cultural rigidity

which i think some people confuse as the same thing

probably, i like the idea of a geographic region staying culturally constistant eternally. just for my own personal reasons. i like the idea of being able to visit paris tomarrow or ten thousand years from now and have roughly the same experince. however realisticly as a social engineer i realize the impracticality of simply trying to maintain that so id just be happy if the values of geographic regions stay relitivly unchanged and if a region is going to adopt people from a genetic pool that is not geographicly native to it, that both maintain harmony while having consistant values

i don't think you could keep the geographic region the same for ten thousand years, yet alone the culture

lmao

"Where is Paris?!"
"Under 3 miles of dirt by now"

its the small bit of idealism i have, i just keep it tempered with being realistic. if people are willing to try power to them so long as they dont abuse other morales