https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/200620649570369536/452598886675251200/image.jpg?width=346&height=464

o_o

archive.is still works on vice.com

so either it's a fake screencap, they failed to block it, or they changed their minds.

i don't have fbook so i can't check

I tried to check

I found nothing.

Everyone I saw while checking people reporting on it

I got z-list websites like The Ralph Retort, going on typo-laden articles about it.

They're all using the exact same screenshot.

And no links.

Reporting on it as if it's fact.

I don't think you can even block it

don't archive services desguise the bots as regular users?

i don't know exactly how archive.is does it, but it's not hard to conceive of unblockable methods.

I do know that some websites have on occasion succeeded in blocking archive.is though. NYT occasionally succeeds, at least for a while.

i found stuff from early 2017 on that vice/archive thing... so even if it is a real screenshot, it most certainly is not actually in effect

i miss jontron

There is always a way to circumnavigate those blocks. I use archive.is a lot. When I find one, I run it though https://via.hypothes.is . Archive.is does this automatically for some websites like Vice.

You can also get past these blocks sometimes by using links from different sources. For example they may have archive blocked from archiving a page directly, but if you do it from a twitter link or Facebook link it sometimes bypasses them. Just copy the link directly from their tweets. Sometimes it’s the opposite. For a bit CNN money wouldn’t let me archive it from the twitter link, but if I used google to get to the story I could .

I think vice propably wants to block it, but in my oppinion this is a joke if no one can provide a source. Stop perpetuating it

Vice did block Archive for a bit, but if you guys are talking about that pic from Facebook, it was probably fake.

I think someone made it to draw attention to the fact that Vice was blocking archive. A propaganda tool. Archive.is fixed the problem shortly after. So I guess the tactic worked.

But that Facebook post wasn’t up, and no archive of it was ever produced.

Also, quick question, anyone know if there's a term for an argument made for the point of holding someone to their own standard?

I don't know if such a term exists, but we need one.

For instance, I don't think the whole Samantha Bee thing was done because anyone on the right was actually upset, but more to point out hypocrisy.

i don't think standards are a valid premise, but you could perhaps conceive it as steel manning.

Maybe

idk if you are really taking the best form of their argument

Except steel-manning is generally considered something honorable to do in debate

its not exactly honorable, its just better to do, because you are taking down the strongest form of their argument, which is hard to beat

How isn't it honorable to challenge the most charitable take of something?

I can't think of a single situation where granting your opponent's premise before dismantling it on it's own terms isn't top class debate.

oh, its top class, but honor doesn't have anything to do with. Its just the best way to win.

It's not something I'd consider dishonorable.

that doesn't make it honorable. i'm just saying it has nothing to do with honor

i guess you could say it is honorable in the sense it is the opposite of straw man, which is usually dishonorable.

Well, yeah, that's generally the premise I was going with.

You technically CAN win a debate on a strawman, if you disguise it well enough

but really, its just the best tactic to win an argument. because you are attacking their argument in its strongest form, which means that anything less is also debunked.

It's still safe to say honorable and best tactic are not mutually exclusive.

And to say that's the easiest way to win, it really isn't.

i guess, i just don't see it having anything to do with respect.

i didn't say easiest, i said best.

Fair enough

It's the hard path. If it were easy, everyone would do it for every issue.

its hard, but its a knock out punch.

and could be the shortest path to victory

WTF I love AI now.

@Giovanna Liviana lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4swy0VWxbtM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=Vu4uwaa-c_Q https://s22.postimg.cc/98xrd86dd/patrick_little_polls.jpg
https://littlerevolution.us/

for the people complaining about that vice thing, its probably fake but generated when they did try blocking archive sites, since then archive sites have updated how they do things to get around the blocks.... but above all this is shitposting if you're upset because someone's perpertrating a hoax you're forgetting which channel you're in.

Well, I mean, you can't post it to Fake News or the Newsroom. this is by default the place people link stuff

But I hear you. I'm more concerned with the fact that it's being shared on low-tier news sites as true.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Des1PE7WAAAqKg1.jpg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/257360482564833280/452856759045062656/unknown.png

this guy is so politically illiterate its amazing anyone takes him seriously... yet 16k retweets and 62k likes

>test dog food on animals

>test shaving cream on animals

wtf

>test pen ink on animals

what the actual fuck

>test baking soda on animals

>test toothpaste on animals

please tell me that pic is fake

I HOPE SO

how about he compare prison (public funded) and K-12 public schools, (also public funded)... but then he'd have to have more than a surface understanding of the numbers because the number of people in public schools is obviously going to be much higher than prisoners

jesus

let's hope that picture is fake

tidepod challenge was started by dogs

oh god that scar

>test trash bags on dogs

The more I look at this image, the more confused I get.

>test diapers on dogs

not even dogs, specifically beagles apparently

the picture isn't fake, just old they rebranded to rescuefreedomproject in april and reposted the image

i love how they are saying "stop testing on animals". This means they should start testing on humans. or just not test it.

Humans are animals

not in the minds of these people

but that implies then they should just not test their product on anything living

which, i mean, i'm sure the companies would love that

"oh, we are not allowed to test... OKAY! saves us all kinds of money. here, take this, its safe as far as we know. Find out its not safe? sue the people who made it illegal to test them!"

yeah some of these help the animals companies just pull on people's heart strings but don't actually provide an alternative.... well least this one seems to actually be rescuring them rather than what PETA do which is, oh animals that have been tested on, better put them down

PETA: "Free all the animals in the zoo!" *opens all the pens, local ecosystem destroyed, people killed by tigers, 80% of the animals they just freed die shortly there after, local area devolved into chaos for months or even years. lots of death and suffering*
PETA: "We did good for the world!"

http://www.humanesociety.org/issues/cosmetic_testing/facts/alternatives_animal_tests.html

>those bernie tweets
is this a really well made parody account?

I'm looking at it. I see the checkmark. But I ain't believing it.

Ah, the first is photoshopped.

yeah but appropiate

coming from bernie, its actually on his timeline

Scary thing is, is that if the people of the US had their way he'd be president.