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people want to work, but they also don;t want to worry about starving.
they also want to play
it doesent matter if you cant stop automation, all that matters is that if you have a brain you should probably try to stop automation, because you know the results that will insue if you no longer have a working class
you sound like an old man, lamenting the creation of the calculator.
at best 10 to 20% of the population becomes adult children. every result worse than that is how the rest of society reacts to adult children
look at the west, it has a problem of declining birth rates
so maybe the problem of a helpless class sorts itself out through depopulation due to low birth rates
I'd read a very good argument on calculators.
it would
People lamenting the invention of the calculator were concerned that people would forget how to do math themselves.
however there would still be people born by the elites who have a higher chance of being disabled as being disabled in a automated society is a lot easier
People today may still use a calculator for 4+4, or 2*18 or the like
Not because they can't figure out that the first is 8 or the later is 36
But because it speeds the process up
The calculator enhances a person's abilities.
I think there are two paths AI can go.
There's the direction of Automation, where human capability is replaced by machine precision
what if you created a device that made it so that you no longer have to do math at all? like unless you want to do math, every math you could want to do is done before you even knew a math was needed to be done?
thats automation
Where human production skills are waylaid by systems that do it all for us.
we already have that Arch, its called a computer
Naah, that still requires user input.
yeah
I know what Arch is getting at.
So, AI Enhancement would lead to a future where people are still defining the future, but would be able to be more efficient about it.
given the potential to solve such a large number of problems, do you think you can stop any of this? Do you really think after all this time anyone could stop it?
Let's say you've got an AI with you at all times - not a simple computer, mind you, but something you're able to shoulder some of your daily burden on to for life. Essentially micro-automation
the only way to get people providing for themselves over welfare is make it socially benefitial to be self sufficient
That would be something that could amplify human ability as opposed to replacing it.
I think it's entirely possible to reject it, Grenade.
once this technology exists in the world, you can't put it back in the bottle
so you want to tell me, you will get every human on earth to stop researching this
tell russia and china to stop developing tech to beat the us
No.
tell the us to stop developing tech to beat russia and china
I'm saying reject it.
only the implamentation of the tech is the problem, the understanding of how to implament it is not dangerous.
It only replaces us if we let it, financially.
we made it TO replace us
We didn't.
Someone else did.
if we didn;t want it to, we wouldn't make it
no, we. humans
So long as any of us have a dollar to our name, we can reject it.
chances are it won't be someone, but several someones
probably in different areas of the world
again, as i said you need for people to want to work in order to prevent them from choosing not to work and still benefit from the same standard of living
most inventions, even things like electricity or the lightbulb, had multiple people who reached similar ideas, in different parts of the world, unrelated to one another.
so thats why i say we
people will do anything you want them to if you convence them they want to
why would anyone want to coal mine?
or mine in general
make it socially benefitial
why would anyone want to keep doing dangerous jobs out of necessity?
its socially beneficial to have an entire class of people intestinally become part of the welfare state after a while because of the damage done to their body>?
Well, why do they?
That's a good question.
it would help is we stopped the glorification of the manchild thats been slowly creeping into society the last few decades with body positivity and shit like that
There are industries that are currently better-paying and short-staffed.
the only reason people would still do dangerous jobs is if they find enjoyment in it
why WOULDN'T they become a truck driver earning 100,000 a year?
you literally have to think non-economiclly to solve this issue
because it sucks
thats why they don;t want to do it
So, they'd rather mine coal.
just like all these other industries it takes a massive toll on the body, and basically requires you to be a machine
it punishes you for being human
theres one reason people might want to do labor rather than have everything provided for them. manchildren dont fuck
why don't Americans want to farm?
im farming
I've got several jobs. One of which is scheduled, consistent, and pays the least.
even when you crack down on illegal workers
americans generally dont wanna farm because farming is looked down on
I actually hang around with that job because I feel a sense of purpose with it
I'm a member of a team there.
same thing with sewer work
is it? i don't see farming as looked down upon so much as it being hard work
janitors
this isn't japan
ever been to newyork?
I've developed an encyclopedic knowledge of the warehouse I work in
los ang
yes, i grew up in jersey
Someone can mention an SKU and I can find it in 20 seconds.
maybe i'm bias as it is the garden state
or was until all the farms moved away
miss those corn fields
they are nice to look at over stupid subdivisions
our schools teach children only to aim for the middle class or higher
some of those working class jobs are higher
fucking welders make bank
yes but they dont tell you that
farming makes shit
thats also true
although corn subsidies don't help.
```Athey, a 34 year-old father of four who has only donned a miner's helmet for two years, says he plans to return to work in a mine as soon as possible.
"It's the only thing I know how to do," he said. "I don't read and write."``` ABC reporting
his reason is he lacks education
which sucks
does he? You know Mr. Athey?
"It's the only thing I know how to do"
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