You snoop through their house without them knowing? look through their mess?

Sometimes actually yes.

The relationship issues not the snooping.

But only when invited, yes?

Depends on if I'm living with them or not.

in reality people show you what they want to show you,

Just like on FB, they show you what they want you to see of them

I should say, in the futuristic future "integrating" with AI happens at a direct physical level, like connecting your brain to a prosthetic. In a near future, it's just walking aroudn with your head buried in your phone.

In reality people think they show you what they want, but they show you much more too.

The point is that it's essentially indistinguishable and common amongst people.

VR!

Evolution and development is inherently multiagent. Since the borg has a hard time innovating and tends to go stagnant.

Okay, you're still not going to have a job.

We must be completely talking past each other.

No, for right now AI is better with us, sure.

Cyborg teams are better than, just AI chess players.

But that's not always going to be the case.

by that time we'll integrate, and become part-AI

I doubt it.

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Also how do we know that's not always going to be the case?

There've been plenty of predictions that we would meld into some total consciousness in the past.

Also a robot doesn't have to be perfect it just has to be more productive than a human.

you doubt it? We already can to an extent

Or hat some kind of social system *must* emerge and then it fails miserably, repeatedly.

And I'm saying when the robot starts getting more productive, people will fill in the weak parts or essentially merge themselves in the AI.

Bear in mind also that you'll never stop innovation nor will you ever stop scarcity.

Man, I won't even let myself get a RFID tag, you want me to integrate with AI, are you fucking insane?

"integrate" does not necessarily imply body modification.

Though it could.

Also, it calls into mind an interesting question. Could there be counter-reactionary societies that decide they want to freeze themselves in time? Like the Amish?

An automated interface,

You feed the AI information,
The AI uses that to run things

If it was a general AI it wouldn't need you to feed anything into it.

Even compared to the 90s we are pretty heavily integrated just through cell phones.

And there's alot of stuff that people did in the 90s that we just don't anymore.

if it was a general aI you most certainly have to feed something into it

It can't make assumptions

Cell phones aren't AI.

Youtubes search algorithm for example

Cant run without information you fed it initially

No, it's an integral part of AI. Cell phones are a big part of how Google has so much data to use.

Cell phones are a sensor not AI.

Furthermore, Youtube's search engine is heavily human made.

whatever, you see my point, though, right?

They're IO, it'd be like call a key board integration with a computer.

That's a pretty important part though.

okay lets define AI then

Cuz we're talking alongside each otehr now

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General AI, is defined as is the intelligence of a machine that could successfully perform any intellectual task that a human being can. It is a primary goal of some artificial intelligence research and a common topic in science fiction and future studies. Artificial general intelligence is also referred to as "strong AI",[1] "full AI"[2] or as the ability of a machine to perform "general intelligent action".[3] Academic sources reserve "strong AI" to refer to machines capable of experiencing consciousness.

cuz literally

AI can mean a machine making a choice, to a fully functional strong AI that can think on its own and is self-aware

Thats "Strong AI"

"Weak AI" is literally the system that makes street lights go out the moment theres enough light in the air

@Dennafen should a Norton bombsight count at GAI then?

No.

Calculating ballistic trajectories is an intellectual task, is it not?

No.

Does Google's search count?

How about ye olde internet indexes.

Nope.

those are all examples of Weak AI

But they're still AI

Yes.

Kind of.

-><-

Indexes aren't.

Strong AI is an AI that can think, reason, and learn outside its original given parameters

Yes.

basically like Data from Star Trek

General AI

Strong AI is a mystical future that may or may not arise.

exactly, for now its just a concept

Strong AI is alive.

But its development would cause such a massive reorganization of everything we probably can't concieve of what it would imply yet.

There are fundamental limits on what even the strongest strong AI can do.

Yes it's a concept the same way the flying machines, and supersonic flight was a concept, yes.

Have you heard of No Free Lunch?

I know the saying.

It's a theorem.

That strictly limits the kinds of things that you can do.

Okay.

It's not as limiting as it sounds, but it does say there are fundamentally things you cannot do with any learning system.

There's also issues of adapting to the environment.

Like, you can't just take a car up an untamed mountain.

There's no point in AI making art for AI consumers.

no point != impossible

Sure, but it is something that AI isn't going to likely do.

Okay, so you don't think we're going to be turned into paper clips, got it.

ima head off from this convo, its rocket league time 😛

But I'm still not sure what this has to do with Artificial general intelligence, it would fixable enough to do any task a human can do for no ongoing cost.

Have fun.

ty

Let's quit talking about a mystical super strong AI that outpaces anything a human can do.

It's not mystical.

I'm saying by the time we reach that point, the conceptions of what a person is and what is doable will be radically different.

"Strong AI" right now is mostly good at a couple of tasks or learning straightforward new ones with lots of data.

I see so your argument is that it will be slow enough in development as to not be a problem?

One of my arguments.

No one has strong ai.

Correct.

Not in the "everything you can do the computer can do better"

General AI is not strong AI.

And FWIW, I'm not sure that will necessarily ever happen.

I didn't say better.

Per say.

Like everything I can do the robot will do way better.

But they will be better from an economic stand point.