Message from @Dennafen

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2018-07-26 18:29:51 UTC  

General AI

2018-07-26 18:29:59 UTC  

Strong AI is a mystical future that may or may not arise.

2018-07-26 18:30:10 UTC  

exactly, for now its just a concept

2018-07-26 18:30:15 UTC  

Strong AI is alive.

2018-07-26 18:30:22 UTC  

But its development would cause such a massive reorganization of everything we probably can't concieve of what it would imply yet.

2018-07-26 18:30:44 UTC  

There are fundamental limits on what even the strongest strong AI can do.

2018-07-26 18:30:59 UTC  

Yes it's a concept the same way the flying machines, and supersonic flight was a concept, yes.

2018-07-26 18:31:40 UTC  

Have you heard of No Free Lunch?

2018-07-26 18:32:00 UTC  

I know the saying.

2018-07-26 18:32:05 UTC  

It's a theorem.

2018-07-26 18:32:21 UTC  

That strictly limits the kinds of things that you can do.

2018-07-26 18:32:30 UTC  

Okay.

2018-07-26 18:32:48 UTC  

It's not as limiting as it sounds, but it does say there are fundamentally things you cannot do with any learning system.

2018-07-26 18:33:06 UTC  

There's also issues of adapting to the environment.

2018-07-26 18:33:17 UTC  

Like, you can't just take a car up an untamed mountain.

2018-07-26 18:33:38 UTC  

There's no point in AI making art for AI consumers.

2018-07-26 18:34:14 UTC  

no point != impossible

2018-07-26 18:34:44 UTC  

Sure, but it is something that AI isn't going to likely do.

2018-07-26 18:35:28 UTC  

Okay, so you don't think we're going to be turned into paper clips, got it.

2018-07-26 18:36:51 UTC  

ima head off from this convo, its rocket league time 😛

2018-07-26 18:36:55 UTC  

But I'm still not sure what this has to do with Artificial general intelligence, it would fixable enough to do any task a human can do for no ongoing cost.

2018-07-26 18:37:03 UTC  

Have fun.

2018-07-26 18:37:06 UTC  

ty

2018-07-26 18:37:44 UTC  

Let's quit talking about a mystical super strong AI that outpaces anything a human can do.

2018-07-26 18:38:10 UTC  

It's not mystical.

2018-07-26 18:38:14 UTC  

I'm saying by the time we reach that point, the conceptions of what a person is and what is doable will be radically different.

2018-07-26 18:38:45 UTC  

"Strong AI" right now is mostly good at a couple of tasks or learning straightforward new ones with lots of data.

2018-07-26 18:38:50 UTC  

I see so your argument is that it will be slow enough in development as to not be a problem?

2018-07-26 18:39:01 UTC  

One of my arguments.

2018-07-26 18:39:25 UTC  

No one has strong ai.

2018-07-26 18:39:31 UTC  

Correct.

2018-07-26 18:39:43 UTC  

Not in the "everything you can do the computer can do better"

2018-07-26 18:39:51 UTC  

General AI is not strong AI.

2018-07-26 18:39:57 UTC  

And FWIW, I'm not sure that will necessarily ever happen.

2018-07-26 18:40:01 UTC  

I didn't say better.

2018-07-26 18:40:08 UTC  

Per say.

2018-07-26 18:40:24 UTC  

Like everything I can do the robot will do way better.

2018-07-26 18:40:37 UTC  

But they will be better from an economic stand point.

2018-07-26 18:40:39 UTC  

But can it do all of them together better?

2018-07-26 18:40:55 UTC  

Integration is a fundamental and important task. It's also one that is too easily ignored.

2018-07-26 18:41:46 UTC  

Okay so we'll still have project managers?