people want to work, but they also don;t want to worry about starving.

they also want to play

it doesent matter if you cant stop automation, all that matters is that if you have a brain you should probably try to stop automation, because you know the results that will insue if you no longer have a working class

you sound like an old man, lamenting the creation of the calculator.

at best 10 to 20% of the population becomes adult children. every result worse than that is how the rest of society reacts to adult children

look at the west, it has a problem of declining birth rates

so maybe the problem of a helpless class sorts itself out through depopulation due to low birth rates

I'd read a very good argument on calculators.

it would

People lamenting the invention of the calculator were concerned that people would forget how to do math themselves.

however there would still be people born by the elites who have a higher chance of being disabled as being disabled in a automated society is a lot easier

People today may still use a calculator for 4+4, or 2*18 or the like

Not because they can't figure out that the first is 8 or the later is 36

But because it speeds the process up

The calculator enhances a person's abilities.

I think there are two paths AI can go.

There's the direction of Automation, where human capability is replaced by machine precision

what if you created a device that made it so that you no longer have to do math at all? like unless you want to do math, every math you could want to do is done before you even knew a math was needed to be done?

thats automation

Where human production skills are waylaid by systems that do it all for us.

we already have that Arch, its called a computer

Naah, that still requires user input.

yeah

I know what Arch is getting at.

So, AI Enhancement would lead to a future where people are still defining the future, but would be able to be more efficient about it.

given the potential to solve such a large number of problems, do you think you can stop any of this? Do you really think after all this time anyone could stop it?

Let's say you've got an AI with you at all times - not a simple computer, mind you, but something you're able to shoulder some of your daily burden on to for life. Essentially micro-automation

the only way to get people providing for themselves over welfare is make it socially benefitial to be self sufficient

That would be something that could amplify human ability as opposed to replacing it.

I think it's entirely possible to reject it, Grenade.

once this technology exists in the world, you can't put it back in the bottle

so you want to tell me, you will get every human on earth to stop researching this

tell russia and china to stop developing tech to beat the us

No.

tell the us to stop developing tech to beat russia and china

I'm saying reject it.

only the implamentation of the tech is the problem, the understanding of how to implament it is not dangerous.

It only replaces us if we let it, financially.

we made it TO replace us

We didn't.

Someone else did.

if we didn;t want it to, we wouldn't make it

no, we. humans

So long as any of us have a dollar to our name, we can reject it.

chances are it won't be someone, but several someones

probably in different areas of the world

again, as i said you need for people to want to work in order to prevent them from choosing not to work and still benefit from the same standard of living

most inventions, even things like electricity or the lightbulb, had multiple people who reached similar ideas, in different parts of the world, unrelated to one another.

so thats why i say we

people will do anything you want them to if you convence them they want to

why would anyone want to coal mine?

or mine in general

make it socially benefitial

why would anyone want to keep doing dangerous jobs out of necessity?

its socially beneficial to have an entire class of people intestinally become part of the welfare state after a while because of the damage done to their body>?

Well, why do they?

That's a good question.

it would help is we stopped the glorification of the manchild thats been slowly creeping into society the last few decades with body positivity and shit like that

There are industries that are currently better-paying and short-staffed.

the only reason people would still do dangerous jobs is if they find enjoyment in it

why WOULDN'T they become a truck driver earning 100,000 a year?

you literally have to think non-economiclly to solve this issue

because it sucks

thats why they don;t want to do it

So, they'd rather mine coal.

just like all these other industries it takes a massive toll on the body, and basically requires you to be a machine

it punishes you for being human

theres one reason people might want to do labor rather than have everything provided for them. manchildren dont fuck

why don't Americans want to farm?

im farming

I've got several jobs. One of which is scheduled, consistent, and pays the least.

even when you crack down on illegal workers

americans generally dont wanna farm because farming is looked down on

I actually hang around with that job because I feel a sense of purpose with it

I'm a member of a team there.

same thing with sewer work

is it? i don't see farming as looked down upon so much as it being hard work

janitors

this isn't japan

ever been to newyork?

I've developed an encyclopedic knowledge of the warehouse I work in

los ang

yes, i grew up in jersey

Someone can mention an SKU and I can find it in 20 seconds.

maybe i'm bias as it is the garden state

or was until all the farms moved away

miss those corn fields

they are nice to look at over stupid subdivisions

our schools teach children only to aim for the middle class or higher

some of those working class jobs are higher

fucking welders make bank

yes but they dont tell you that

farming makes shit

thats also true

although corn subsidies don't help.

```Athey, a 34 year-old father of four who has only donned a miner's helmet for two years, says he plans to return to work in a mine as soon as possible.

"It's the only thing I know how to do," he said. "I don't read and write."``` ABC reporting

his reason is he lacks education

which sucks

does he? You know Mr. Athey?

"It's the only thing I know how to do"