Tim is a lefty

Crowder can be extremely persuasive with his own use of logic.

In the 8 Values thing I'm a patriotic Centrist

rest is +/- 5%

patriotic centrist?

"Only people who love our country get to fight our government!"

Proselytizing our side is what we need.

I think that's also how I feel

Cernovich's adoption of lefty tactics is useful in the same way espionage is useful.

An army of spies doesn't get you far.

Unless you've got a proper front.

Tbh I see no issue with asking that the left follow the rules they set for others

But you have to make sure you're not just reinforcing their rules

This.

Cernovich is a self-promoting PUA, I don't care what he does

that is called holding them accountable

the problem is not letting them weasel away

If we're only making the left follow their own rules

Then we'll be held to them too

If Cernovich does something that hurts limousine liberals or cuckservatives I'll be happy about it.

That's why we need our own front covering our own principles

Cerno makes it clear why it's fucked up, we convey the alternative with consistency

well yes, you need to stick to your principles, and if one of those principles is being held accountable to your own principles, then you can start holding the left to their own principles while still claiming to follow yours.

To have a gentlemen's agreement you need two gentlemen.

"I believe in your right to say what you want, and i hold myself to that, but if you believe you shouldn't be allowed to say the things you are saying, then you should hold yourself to that standard and censor yourself. I will continue to defend your right to say what you want"

My core principle.

Don't advocate solutions I would not want to be held to.

treat others the way you want to be treated. don't order those under your command to do anything you would not do, etc

"If I were a white male I would want others to tell me how awful my privilege is, and to correct the historical injustices done by my kind by redistributing my wealth and power to the oppressed"

Mine needs better wording for conveyance

But I generally use it for general circumstances.

It's not the wording, it's the metaphysics

I don't advocate targeting based on race or religion

You have an entirely different and incompatible set of first principles.

Lest my race or religion be targeted.

Therefore no matter how you formulate your ideas they will be ineffective against progressives.

Yeah

Progressives control academia, academia controls language

There's the first problem

Quit letting people take language away

Most of the cancerous ideologies come about because someone changed a definition of a word or two.

academia controls language HA

Hell, the negative connotations behind 'liberal' come from people who shunt liberty taking it for their own.

you have never met a southerner apparently

lol

But it holds true for some of the routines like "racism = power + prejudice" "uhh no racism is just prejudice", they tend to win battles like that

"undocumented migrant"

"assault weapon"

"hate speech"

a new one that you'll hear soon is "robust expression"

I'm gonna look up robust expression and be prepared

it'll be used in place of "free speech"

the idea being that even though some speech is banned, what you have left can still be used for "robust expression"

I know its a joke, but that stuff is straight out of 1984 "Newspeak" stuff. Its really hard not to see them using 1984 as a manual.

Here's the kicker, though...

The ones opposing Trump think they're the protagonists in 1984

they don't win these battles because the control academia. Its because they scream the loudest

and the opposition has for too long just ignored them. opting for the "ignore and sometimes say sure" to shut them the hell up

Hillary Clinton wrote in her book she thought the lesson of 1984 was that people didn't listen enough to leaders, the press and experts.

how tf did they take that away?

Maybe to them Winston was the villain of that book.

that is disturbing given that this is the part who claims to be for gay rights

or ironically

but hey, when society raises a whole generation of adult children, what do you expect

I had one guy the other day say that Ted Cruz sounds like the pigs from Animal Farm.

"tell me what to do daddy government, i never learned to think for myself or defend myself. you need to defend me"

@Grenade123 a big part of it is academia though. not anything of academic merit but the fact that they can basically recruit and indoctrinate people from junior high onwards.

In the end Winston becomes an NPC too

they screamed the loudest and were given some shit to shut up

like a bad parent giving a spoiled brat candy to shut up

You can scream louder when academia gives you a platform and Antifa doesn't blockade your events.

and then guide them through their entire careers. it's a pipeline. they pick out promising candidates in high school, give them scholarships and mentorship programs, surround them with like-minded people in university (with tons of extra-curricular activist activities), and fast-track them through certain useful degrees like teaching and law.

not when your platform goes bankrupt and closes

the left are in the process of destroying all institutions they take power in, while alternatives are popping up.

I looked at some of the membership of BAMN and many of their highly placed people were chosen when they were 15-16, and guided all the way to a placement in a law firm.

Something happened where the left stopped policing their own. President Kennedy was very anti-communist, they used to know when they were going to far. The right still polices their extremes the left do not. I blame those who should be policing their side (or at least leaving it).

look at comicsgate, main stream comics are dying while alternatives are rocketing upwards and making bank while delivering good product

Kennedy was the left policing its own. LBJ helped set his death up

Iron Sights is shipping physical copies already.

I am very into the comics stuff. First time in a long time I bought comics.

The shift in the left began when the radicals of the late 60s graduated and worked their way into positions of power. they recruited and trained a second wave, and that's what we're dealing with now.

Have you ever read some of the old stuff of the media and academic apologizing for the ussr its so gross. many of them knew how bad it actually was too.

the proteges of the 60s radicals have been placed or have insinuated themselves into positions of power but all they know is the philosophy of divide and conquer. they have no ideas of their own. they are effectively parasites killing their host.

what old stuff?

The NYT recently (the last few years) ran some articles about how good things were under stalin and mao. I couldn't believe it.

that LGBT student society apologizing for gulags?

saying that they were humane and just and that everyone there was basically receiving therapy.

the what?

the new stuff they titles red century [NYT]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/09/11/soviet-labour-camps-compassionate-educational-institutions-say/

are you kidding me?

even neo nazi don't pretend the death camps were a good thing, they try to deny they happened.

"Paradoxically the thread was written as an apparent justification for an earlier post by the same group which threatened to send a political opponent “to the gulag”."

The fundamental problem here is that post-modernism requires that all people share the same socially constructed reality. People who dissent and insist upon a different reality are invalidating the existence of those who uphold the accepted reality.

that's not very smart

So dissenters must be either fixed or killed.

You must learn to love the party.

Straight out of Orwell.

yeah...i know how that worked

and it was a reality for some people 29 years ago

Think of lucid dreaming. If you know you're dreaming and you're dreaming long enough to get the hang of it you can do anything you want. Anything. Reality bends to your whim. It's pretty fucking awesome.