But what would stop them becoming the same country becasue they have a simlar hisotry, language and values.

when you enter a country

adopt a culture

adopt a language

you join a nation.

YOu ahve to look into alot of other factors that define the nation, its history, its culture, its people, its government

Language?

The magic dirt theory @RyeNorth.

@Deleted User na·tion
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a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

Because Quebeca is totally like English

Thing is then, how aboutthe states then?

Are they different?

By civics Canada and America are basicly the same.

No we're not.

Not cuturally

Not by a long shot.

you don't know the meaning of civics do you lol

Wait, why arguing this

We were at race != species earlier

Fuck man,

well if you really want to argue this, go into VC

How are you different? You speak the same langue have a simlar history and the other civics.

Well, if you're speaking relatively when comparing to, say, the middle east, then Canada and the US are more similar to each other than to them.

@GingaBomber You're right, this was about race, I think I might have derailed it, sorry

Umm actually no, we don't have a similar history

You really stuck to your guns and I can respect that, but we wont get anywhere since the topic is changing so goddamn quickly

na·tion
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noun
a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a *particular country or territory.*

Canada and America have VERY different histories

The difference is that Candans are a different people to Americans. civics mean almost nothing.

and don't give me the 'magic dirt' shit, you're the one that thinks land is specifically racial.

THats a thing?

I think someone needs to do some reading lol

Well, I am not familiar with ethnonats so...

Aussie

Actually, I am kinda, same way I am familiar with sjws

you're sooooo damn close to a breakthrough with that...

Its hard to pin point down one goal

Canadians* are a different people to Americans.

I'm too tired to argue lol

Yes they are.

Well, why not discuss this

But by your definition they're not

because they're both white

what changed that?

I want to know more about what Aussie is trying to say so that it will be easier to retort. But we are all too caught up with definitions here, and

I'm good lol, go head and continued where you left off lol

I know they are the same race but they differnt peoples.

I'll read it

but that doesn't make sense.

so you're saying a political nation collectively decides who it's peoples are?

Yes it dose the Scotish and English are different peoples.

A people form a nation it's that simple.

That settles it, then!

Blacks are americans too!

Actually how bout this. Timeout, have @Deleted User write his argument in one essay, and we all go through it.

Would that make it easier?

Well, maybe not an essay

Some bullet points

No becasue they were just there as slaves not as a people who setteled and built the country.

hopefully it won't be graded, or he would have red pen all over it XD LOL!!!

Joking aside, I can respect someone who can put forward good points.

@GingaBomber I agree can we go a bit slower.

oh I can too, I'm just messing about

they literally built the country...

parts of it anyway

Under the orders of the whites. It's sad the say but they were partly no different to modern farm tools.

Well Id like to point out the irony

That this discussion is happening in the newsroom as opposed to the hate speech one

Very true it just sort of happened.

I mean, this happens alot in the other channels.

But well, I can respect someone who sticks with their ideals. Not that I agree at all. But remember, dont say to change a persons mind, make them understand it.

And well, refutal does not equal not understanding

The Left has neglected that

Dont fall down to that level

That has been my goal from the beginning.

Well pardon me then, that is impossible to tell

In general

not you specifically

Thanks sorry if I came of that way.

I guess I can admit, part of the reason I argue so adamantly against Aussie is because I want to see the Alt-Right dismantled.

I'm just trying to share my opion.

And I can respect everyone for that. But if we all get angry, we only discourage more from speaking about their beliefs.

I agree the same way with civic nationlists becasue I think it is misguided.

It's what separates me from the left, who never seem to try to dismantle their fringe minorities.

I mean, Id like some opponents out there. It reminds people to never let their guard down.

The left got confident, and well... Look where we all are.

Someone who can't even spell misguided will never show me da way.

Eh I misspell alot, lets not go there.

Joking aside

But yeah, chill a little there, it is rare to hear out someone from a fringe well... Ideology?

It's not that I don't understand the argument

That's true there aren't many people like me out there yet but I hope to change that throught sharing my ideas.

Well. Somethings are important.

It's that it's such a circular reasoning that depends on all of it's tenets to be true to make any sense.

Like why did they get to that conclusion?

I mean, we get people who become monsters, so identify why they became that way.

In my honest opinion, he flip flops a lot to change and distort things to meet his goal. Whether that was the intention or impression he wanted to give, that's beyond me, but that;s what I got from this whole thing.

I mean, I get that the fringe left has this idea that whiteness is the problem.

Thats the same Issue I had with myself.

That doesn't justify a fringe right that says whiteness is the only solution.