well.. even now

so for example... on healthcare - the per capita average US citizen pays $8508 to the healthcare budget... in the UK (in USD) we pay $3500 per capita on average

we became self sufficient, still had to pay taxes without a say and taxes went up because George was an idiot and went into debt

and a UK citizen earning £20,000 will pay roughly £2k income tax (and that obviously already includes the health insurance)

Enough of that

yes but you get the benfit of US R&D on medication of procedures 😄

I don't want to discuss healthcare

We have corruption all up the chain here, too.

oh, I totally agree on the independance... just on the tax thing, I dont agree youre necessarily better off... yet...

oh we're better off

taxes be damned 😄

Owned

def better off....

but perhaps pay too much taxes... but thats youre choice really so its fine

i would pay more, to be out of the EU

It depends on what you call a tax

Look, man. I was talking about taxation without representation. At least our taxes get represented. In some way, we actually keep our government responsible.

Colonial America didn't have that option

i wonder if without the war of independence britain would have created the taxation of colonies act 1778

Doubtful

you can have affordable, available, or quality. but not all 3.

Our healthcare system is fucked up rn.

It's way more complicated than universal or let alone free

Corruption runs rampant, but damn is that corruption advantageous

which is here

what I find strange is that a lot of americans say healthcare is bad .. and look at canada as an example... which is rated one of the worst in the world 😛

lmao

American healthcare would be more affordable if we just stopped acting like insurance companies help us.

Well. They do.

And it's that kind of necessary evil

they go to doctors and hospitals, and ask for a discount for giving them "business". The doctors go "but... this is how much this procedure costs.... like, there is no discount to have" and the hospital goes "we will charge this stupid price, give you a discount on THAT price, then charge the uninsured this new price. And now that we have made up these numbers no one can pay, they can get the state to pay us! then we will not pay the doctors enough, understand, and walk away with pockets full"

I'm a firm believer, however, that necessary evil is still evil and thus should be eliminated. But I guess that makes me naive.

there is a literal ledger in hospitals of how much to charge for a procedure, and its basically made up.

I got a quote for private health insurance - £13 a month full cover

its ridiculous.

@Grenade123 I agree

but I would only ever need it for things the NHS doesnt cover... like rare crap

I negotiate procedure prices myself at hospitals. People don't know you can actually do that

I had to learn

before or after you had the procedure?

Both sometimes

lmao

Look, 2014 was a rough year for me physically

you are like lying on the table "what what what, how much is this gonna cost? 3000?! man, i'm walking out out of here if you can't come down to at least 1200."
"sir, you can't walk out of here."
"like hell i cant! you cant keep me!"
"no, i mean both your legs are broken."
"oh yeah? just watch me. 1200 or i'm walkin."

No not that. Lmao

i know, i'm jokin

I call the doctor's office for a colonoscopy. They tell me the time. I tell them I don't know that I can afford it. They send me to billing and discuss how much I'm able to pay.

I was without insurance for half a year

depending on how often you really need a hospital, probably be better off haggling them down when you need to go, and putting what you would be paying to insurance into a bank account

Basically

Hospital visits are tricky to negotiate

no more questions of if all the money you are giving them is pissed away when they say "yeah, needing to have a Gangrene leg removed is NOT a life save procedure"

You can't negotiate until you're about to be discharged

"What? your heart is failing and needs to be replaced? Yeah, thats considered an elective procedure"

That's just corruption

But anyway. I posted that hospital bill for a rattlesnake bite, and people are calling it a failure of healthcare

This is a case I outright believe is exceptional

thats for a rattlesnake bite? tf they take you to radiology for?

"hmmm.... yep. its a bite already. we totally needed to x-ray this to see that."

I'm not sure yet, but you're allowed to refuse aspects of service.

MRI maybe?

where did you get bite?

It's not mine. lol

where did they get bite

in the head?

Dunno

The story isn't complete

It needs to be

assuming nothing had started to die off yet, shouldn't it be just some anti-venom, pain meds, and then wait?

How fast do you think rattlesnake bites take to set in?

They can be from minutes to hours.

MINUTES.

for a bill like that, they better have been in the middle of no where or have a pretty bad reaction

I agree that this is an extreme case

that's 80k in meds.

and 20k in like blood work

I'm certain you can negotiate it down a lot, but not to a satisfactory degree. You would have to set up a payment plan

There's literally not much insurance companies do that you can't do.

And I was talking to a British fellow about how he thought universal health care was good. And I suppose it's nice to be able to go to a doctor when you have a cold or flu.

But I'm a fan of being able to take care of oneself.

communists

I think this name is better

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/05/jets-owner-will-pay-fines-if-players-protest-during-anthem.html

I want a separate islamist football network

@Deadpool He's going to get fired.

of course the jets owner will pay the fine. its the team that gets the fine not the player...

Or lose his team. Whichever

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free game here atm

@Timcast if musk does this thing, I hope the system ranks things a bit like knife media, they give a good breakdown

Hacknet ❤

62k likes https://twitter.com/KaivanShroff/status/999310911054733312?s=20

is she a white supremacist (I actually dont know)?

idfk

I think the optics here are fucked up

Tomi Lahren is already well known

SOme hoser who did some good for his community isn't well known has to be signal boosted

THis is a false equivalency.

Tomi is vapid but she's not a white supremacist. His justification for that comment was that she compared BLM to the KKK

tomi lahren is an opportunist working for a major news station. obviously trump is talking about her and not the random guy (even if he did something heroinc)