before or after you had the procedure?

Both sometimes

lmao

Look, 2014 was a rough year for me physically

you are like lying on the table "what what what, how much is this gonna cost? 3000?! man, i'm walking out out of here if you can't come down to at least 1200."
"sir, you can't walk out of here."
"like hell i cant! you cant keep me!"
"no, i mean both your legs are broken."
"oh yeah? just watch me. 1200 or i'm walkin."

No not that. Lmao

i know, i'm jokin

I call the doctor's office for a colonoscopy. They tell me the time. I tell them I don't know that I can afford it. They send me to billing and discuss how much I'm able to pay.

I was without insurance for half a year

depending on how often you really need a hospital, probably be better off haggling them down when you need to go, and putting what you would be paying to insurance into a bank account

Basically

Hospital visits are tricky to negotiate

no more questions of if all the money you are giving them is pissed away when they say "yeah, needing to have a Gangrene leg removed is NOT a life save procedure"

You can't negotiate until you're about to be discharged

"What? your heart is failing and needs to be replaced? Yeah, thats considered an elective procedure"

That's just corruption

But anyway. I posted that hospital bill for a rattlesnake bite, and people are calling it a failure of healthcare

This is a case I outright believe is exceptional

thats for a rattlesnake bite? tf they take you to radiology for?

"hmmm.... yep. its a bite already. we totally needed to x-ray this to see that."

I'm not sure yet, but you're allowed to refuse aspects of service.

MRI maybe?

where did you get bite?

It's not mine. lol

where did they get bite

in the head?

Dunno

The story isn't complete

It needs to be

assuming nothing had started to die off yet, shouldn't it be just some anti-venom, pain meds, and then wait?

How fast do you think rattlesnake bites take to set in?

They can be from minutes to hours.

MINUTES.

for a bill like that, they better have been in the middle of no where or have a pretty bad reaction

I agree that this is an extreme case

that's 80k in meds.

and 20k in like blood work

I'm certain you can negotiate it down a lot, but not to a satisfactory degree. You would have to set up a payment plan

There's literally not much insurance companies do that you can't do.

And I was talking to a British fellow about how he thought universal health care was good. And I suppose it's nice to be able to go to a doctor when you have a cold or flu.

But I'm a fan of being able to take care of oneself.