agreed

Culture is based on the geographical area in which you live

For example, it is much more likely that a race with dark skin living in a hot climate might develop some form of sun worship, perhaps.

Well originally

I disagree because there were Places that didn't have a high population density....

Now it's way more complex

And a race/ethnicity that lives in colder climates is probably more likely to come up with christmas trees and santa claus.

and those do rather poorly right now...

you can teach monkey to act like human.
but it will never do that by it self.

Christmas Tree was a German thing though.

Yes, I am just saying that culture and race probably inform each other. It's not completely random.

and that monkey will act like that only because humans arond it.

A culture that lives in a colder climate probably has more incentive to develop agriculture.

IMO higher IQ is necessary for high population densitys (=Citiies).

before you couldn't share the same culture with people you didn't interact with. This is obvious. It has nothing to do with race/religion/etc

No, a Culture with high Population Density 😉

Smarter people are more cooperative than dumb people. Source: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/manage/publications/255-2015_proto.pdf#page=2

In colder climates, you might have to plan ahead more to be able to make it rhough the winter. At the equator, you don't have to deal with seasonal irragularities.

By the way, none of this is new.

This is known as the Savannah Effect, among other things.

That as well. Its the Winter Theorie. IMO its one point but not the only noe.

@Stefan Payne I highly agree

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201002/the-savanna-principle

and in colder climates with low population, you can make it through the Winter without planning, you just need to hunt deer or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

So, I am not even being controversial here.

@Undead Mockingbird Inform how? Race has nothing to do with culture it depends on the society you live in and if you integrate well into the prevalent cultural environment. I would argue that religion plays a more important role in informing culture than race does.

It's just that those topics always arouse an undue amount of emotions.

@RadialDerp I just explained how.

I am not going to rehash it again. Scroll up.

@RadialDerp That's the Nature vs. Nurture Argument. And you can't distinguish both from each other....

but we have two examples: Europe and Indochina.

look at what happened here and there.

Culture is created by religion, religion is based on geography

*he is too low IQ to understand what you said*😏

What part of that is race based?

Ones are more in the direction of personal freedom, others more of collective things.

BTW, I have not even made a single statement of judgment. Any amount of anger that is caused by this discussion is projection on the part of OTHERS what value I assign, not me.

If this triggers emotions, it is value YOU project, not I.

That's the thing, you can not say that either is race based or it is not. Both belong together.

@Cody culture is created by race not religion.
that race of people can also create religion.😉

Please explain

https://www.bitchute.com/video/RzZ9lEojiyjH/

@Undead Mockingbird environmental factors will inform behavior but that in my estimate is quite separate from culture as a whole. I grew up in a tropical country that had 3 different types of environments packed together. The culture among the majority race and religion was essentially the same throughout with minor cuisine differences

@RadialDerp That is different from the culture you adopt by birth, but it is not separate from how cultures DEVELOP, over many thousand years.

you guys are discussing outdated stuff. With more means of travel and the internet, culture is more scathered than ever

Your telling me that in 1642 africans and Europeans would have the same culture if they existed in the opposite geographic locations?

Ie Europeans in Africa, and Africans in Europe

he's right

A culture in a cold climate is likely to develop differently than one in a warm climate. That does not imply that someone from the reverse culture, brought into the culture of the other ethnicity, would not be able to adopt the culture.

@Stefan Payne please expand on what you mean by comparison of Europe and Indochina

people as culture hit milestones

you can't predict culture changes

However, if a culture is strongly centered around hunting, and people with long legs were more likely to be successful hunters, then a culture with short people will probably not fare as well.

I don't understand how any of this is controversial, and I understand even less why anyone would get upset over it.

```@Stefan Payne please expand on what you mean by comparison of Europe and Indochina```
Both developed cultures and were pretty evenly matched. But in Indochina it developed more towards autoritarian/collectivism (the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few), while the west developed more towards individualism.

Oh, wow

Let's take another example.

So you can't really seperate Race and Culture because both are intertwined.

Slanted eyes!

There is a very good reason why Chinese have slanted eyes and why Europeans tend to have blue eyes.

@Undead Mockingbird that's not what controversial

@Undead Mockingbird you are operating under the premise that culture is set in stone and doesn't fluctuate quite rapidly over short periods of time. What you are describing is human behavior adaptations to environment. Quite distinct from how sociocultural behavior takes root

The reasons are simple and related to the sun light.

@Stefan Payne that didn't happen until the 1400s

The culture is because of the people that made the culture and the people the way they are because of culture. Chicken <-> Egg Problems.

@Stefan Payne what's your opinion on Japan btw? They embrace collectivism but are VERY individualistic too

The reason this whole thing got started was because Jasse was trying to convince us that Jew are to blame and the blacks are lesser people

^

@RadialDerp No, I never said it's set in stone. I just said there are REASONS why a culture is likely to develop one way or not the other.

Jesus, stop projecting onto everything I say, please!

@DanteMenace Population of Africa ~1800
90 Million.
IIRC France had half of that at the time.

Culture is HIGHLY flexible.

well.. most jews are to blame for the identity politics being played nowadays

And Africa is huuuuuge.....

@.B no they aren'y

there are AT LEAST

@DanteMenace see. interesting conversation started thanks to me.

aren't*

1 million people in the world

A water drop can flow a million different ways. A thunderstorm can form in a million different places. But that doesn't mean that all scenarios are equally likely.

@Stefan Payne So your point being that race innately predisposed people to being more open to certain types of political thinking? Do you not think that if the environmental factors and political influences were switched there might not be different outcomes?

This is not interesting in the slightest

You are more likely to have black skin in a sunny climate. A sunny climate might produce tendencies for certain cultures.

THat's as simple as it gets.

Fuck off @Jasse

@Undead Mockingbird I'm not trying to project. I'm merely attempting to point out that simplifying culture as based on decades of environmental factors and then relating that to race is a stupid argument

Just upsets me that @.B is also antisemitic

@Cody then why are you still here🤔

what?

I would even go as far to say you are his recuriting partner

Like I said I spent a year as an alt-right member I know how this works

@RadialDerp That is the outcome, if you watch Japanese Guy Yuta, you see that Japanese Insults are more towards a Group you might or might not belong to, while our insults are more personal. So what of that is Race? I don't know.
And what I'm saying is that you can't seperate Race from Culture as both belong together and influenced each other equally.

@RadialDerp Just because you call it stupid doesn't make it stupid.

Point out the fallacy.

I gave you a solid example.

seems like you are all so afraid of some concepts that you fear any kind of point that goes in a way you disagree

@.B use to believe it.

been there got that tattoo

its wrong

How are most jews to blame?

Does that make me to blame?

classical good vs evil wrong

In what way am I to blame if I am

And what am I being blamed for?

@.B Yes. I see this all the time:

People are not really debating on rational facts, but they are debating based on what they THINK others might do with those conclusions.

So people who debate topics like these usually start with the conclusion and will then reject any arguments that they fear might not lead there.

pretty much

But that's the beauty in it:

I am all for MERITOCRACY.

@Undead Mockingbird I agree with that

As a baseline. Have you lived in a non western culture for more than a few years?

@Undead Mockingbird You are relating environmental factors that develop over time and influence genetic makeup as some form of influencer on cultural attitudes. Those I would argue are very distinct from culture itself

most jews are VERY conservative when it's about Israel. But in the west they are very lefty. They are the ones that started with the identity politics. You can "blame" them for that

#NotAllJews

Let us say tomorrow some scientist told me that 99% of the people in my home town are retarded. If I was a collectivist, that would be terrible news, because that is all people might base their decisions about me on.

However, if I am an individualist, I do not have to worry how many people in my town are stupid. My IQ does not change.

Wow, many peoples dad were gassed for being Jewish

nice

Dont see how that isnt a reason to be upset

Hmm?

It's only a reason to be upset if I am a collectivist.

hahaha

Fucking autocorrect

If the society I live in is meritocratic, I just go and take an IQ test to show that I am not in the 99%.

@Undead Mockingbird no you have a reason to be upset.

I will be judged as an indvidual.

the majority of your family friends and coworkers are retarded

you have merit

Even if we found tomorrow that blacks had an IQ of 50, it doesn't change the IQ of Thomas Sowell.

So stop thinking like a collectivist. Stop being upset.

Mentally challenged please @DanteMenace

with a retardation

Lel

@JohnOakman if it makes you feel better retard

-.-

Dante, mate

this is going nowhere

We cant win if you insult people

@DanteMenace <:NPC:500042527231967262> <:NPC:500042527231967262> <:NPC:500042527231967262>

I was messing with @JohnOakman

You should watch what Thomas Sowell (or was it Larry Elder??) say about beeing in school.

it's a George Carlin joke @DanteMenace

Personally I am more open to the study of honor dignity and face culture as baseline models for understanding culture. Here race is irrelevant and environmental factors related to politics are the key motivator. None of that simplified collectivist vs individualist argumentation.

https://staffanspersonalityblog.wordpress.com/2014/04/19/honor-dignity-and-face-culture-as-personality-writ-large/

Both are leaining more towads the radical indoctrination with the material (not politics) in school. And treating them harshly.

Huh? Race can still be irrelevant.

@Cody This fight was won in the 30's and the 80's race based thinking has never lead to anything good and will never gain traction in the world again

You guys are not listening.

There is a reason why German culture has cheese and Africans hunt, but that doesn't mean that an African with an IQ of 100 does worse than a German with IQ of 100, if both are born in Germany.

Then why does it matter if blacks have less IQ than whites?

Actually, that was a seminal study precisely on that subject.

@Undead Mockingbird Race will become irrelevant for culture in a really short time. But until now, it was relevant

```Personally I am more open to the study of honor dignity and face culture as baseline models for understanding culture. Here race is irrelevant and environmental factors related to politics are the key motivator. ```
The enviroment is the reason for selective breading, wich makes the culture and the Race. So you can not seperate Culture, Enviroment and "Race". Because it all belongs together and is one.

Like it wouldn't need to be studied if people didn't think it mattered

I cannot believe that people discuss culture and IQ and are not familiar with this study.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyferth_study

@Cody because over 80% of them are under 100IQ

because IQ matters

Of who?

It is probably one of the most famous studies on IQ, heritability, and ethnicity in existence.

of blacks.

And that makes them lesser?

that makes them stupid

depends what you mean by "less"

Thing is that Welfare and "beeing good" to people often does the opposite. You have to be hard on them as well and tell them "you fucked up, YOU fix it, I won't help, deal with it".

by the definiton

^ told you he was saying that

and we should do what with stupid people

they don't stop being people if you are right jasse

But that is a masculine way of thinking, in our feminine world, we think that we have to help people.
But that can cause more problems in the long term than if we wouldn't do that.

from a scientific point of view. Not let low IQ people have too many kids

or the future will be harder for everyone

Just because the environment has an effect on culture and ethnicity does not mean that people cannot be raised in a different culture than of the ethnicity they were originally from.

Humans are highly adaptive.

Tbh yall never heard the saying, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime huh

Exactly, @.B
You disincentivize them from procreation and having kids.

What did you have to do?

@Stefan Payne Of course you can separate culture from race. Explain to be then why mixed raced people living in the west are not predisposed to behaving differently?

Oh yeah help the man learn to fish

Black service members in Germany were about equally successful as white service members with similar IQs.

@RadialDerp You are mixing up cause and effect.

@RadialDerp Because the "White Race" made the way for them.

Just because an effect has a cause, does not mean that the effect always needs to have the same cause in all instances!

That is the basic difference between an implication and an equivalence in predicate logic.

White bad <:FeelsReeMan:448935600473767937>

@Undead Mockingbird Here we agree. Humans are highly adaptive. That's where my disagreement was. Your attempts at relating race to culture doesn't make sense on a grand scale.

http://www.cs.um.edu.mt/gordon.pace/Teaching/DiscreteMaths/Laws.pdf

@RadialDerp Race Mixing is a relative new thing that hadn't really happened in the last couple of centuries that often. And even today its not common

This is

@Stefan Payne I'm sure every single person was of pure aryan genes then before?

The negation of an implication is not equivalent with the negation of an implication.

@Undead Mockingbird why are you involving holy math 😉

@Stefan Payne also, the end result is unknown

Just because I proposed an implication from the environment to ethnicity and culture, does not mean that you can reverse it to meaning that therefor a different ethnicity is incompatible with being brought into another culture.

Who here is a fan of Ben Shapiro?

This is basic prepositional logic.

I was...

He pissed me off with his Warmongering and liking of Trumps Syrian Bombings....

It's akin to the basic example that all pugs are dogs, but not all dogs are pugs.

>who here is fan of kike.
hell no.

If any of you do

You shouldn't

why not?

Cause he thinks that IQ is not race based

I give up.

I think that Ben is a Jewish Ethno-Nationalists, thus a Hypocrite when it comes to White Nationalists.

are you playing identity politics again?

can't I agree with a jew?

Whatever group you take, you will probably find IQ differences.

Also belial

Take the group of people who drive BMWs or Audies.

You wouldn't like Ben anyway

Why is this so controversial?

oh you think jews are two faced.
oy vey what a antimsemite.

Why should we expect anything different from ethnicities?

Becuase there is no proof that IQ is based on race

I never said that.

Jesus christ.

I like Ben Shapiro, dunno why you would assume I wouldn't

There were some things I'd agree with Ben but in the last Months when I've seen him, he has shown a face I really can't like or agree with.

What does "based on" mean?!

It's the conclusions of some scientists that looked at genetics and IQ but no other factors

It doesn't mean that a certain etchnicity was bound to have a different IQ.

@Undead Mockingbird but at what point do you need to take that seriously

OMFG

This is a complete misinterpretation.

cause if there is do we merit that

Now i see where this BS is coming from.

Just because you find a CORRELATION between two data sets doesn't mean there is a CAUSATION.

are you guys really triggered that different races have different averages of IQ?

Funny enough

Oh and by the way: If a non jew would marry his Sister, he wouldn't go to their Marriage thingy...

fuck it @Cody I am not trying to attach myself to your points.

do you not understand averages?

Me and dante argued that from the beginning

@Undead Mockingbird Race and IQ are dangerous in a sense of how much do we use of that.

No.

You know what's dangerous?

what

if you don't use race as a factor, it isn't a problem

@Undead Mockingbird No, its just Information.

You are now saying that Information/Facts are Dangerous??

What's dangerous is trying to shield people from facts because of what YOU think they are going to do with them.

Being uninformed is always - always, always, always - more dangerous than not.

The only antidote to too little knowledge is more knowledge - not less.

Its not the Information what's dangerous its what you do with it!!!

No, I'm saying that just because a race that race has different averages does not mean it is based purely on your race

>we should not to a study on black people's IQ, that's **dangerous**

Which btw jasse was saying

We were arguing with jasse

If anything you guys misinterpreted our argument

So if you knew that blacks woud have (on average) a lower IQ, what would you do with that information?