China was put in that situation by massive treason on the part of special interests in the West.

Would you like to explain how it's treason?

It's the willful transfer of economic superiority from us to them by elements of our own society.

So you're owed their income?

Are they owed my income?

Sorry? I wasn't aware that not buying an iPad was punishable by death

Wut?

Meanwhile taxation is the application of force

No shit.

Government intervention is necessarily forceful

And the charge of treason for trade decisions implies that you are owed the money they have earned, in some sense

How have they earned it?

Because you paid for what they made, "you" being general

I have a product, I provide it, you buy it. That's my money now

We're not talking about the black market here.

No, we're talking about the most basic level of trade

I sell you thing for money, I use % of money to produce more of thing as efficiently as I can

The government dips into both ends to pay for security and services

I'm not interested in talking about trade in the lolbertarian state of nature.

That's how trade just works my dude, it's not libertarian magic

This is why you don't understand why people are outsourcing lol

No, trade in the real world that isn't for drugs and stolen property involves legal principles.

Such as?

People are outsourcing because we allow them to.

Such as all legal trade.

"What legal principles"
"All legal trade"
???

?

Tbh it sounds to me like you're not terribly for the principles America was built on, lad

America wasn't built on anarchy.

America was built on limited government power

How it outsourcing unprincipled?

*is

Having the government heavily regulate trade, to the point of near market control, doesn't sound like a limited government to me

If you don't want companies to outsource, don't buy outsourced products

Sounds more fascist

Taxing imports is hardly micromanaging trade.

Why should we tax imports?

Banning trade is not taxing imports

Who said anything about banning trade?

For government revenue, Make.

But are we gonna tax all trade equally?

All goods aren't equally taxable.

You directly said we shouldn't trade with the "third world" and that the current setup was the result of treason lol

I mean global and domestic

I said we shoud tax imports from the third world.

So you want to slow down global trade?

For what reason?

Yes, slow down global trade and speed up domestic production.

For what reason should we slow down global trade?

He thinks the government should artificially modify market factors to fix the fact that they artificially modified market factors in the first place lol
And apparently America will just suddenly become self sufficient

LOL!

How to fix regulation. More regulation! <:timcat:463067464016855040>

The poverty of shithole countries is an artificial market factor created by globalist trade policy.

In what way?

Trade has improved their life

The American government, as with all western governments, is already heavily interventionist. This has caused domestic production costs to go up

Look at communist china to its state now

You can see that in the cost of domestically produced products *now*

It's improved the lives of the elites in shithole countries.

No people starved in greater numbers to how they do now

So the average Chinese worker would be better off without trade?

Its not perfect but look what the market did to their quality of life

Look, I don't care about incremental improvements in shithole countries occurring at great cost to the working class in non-shithole countries.

Whoosh there go those goalposts again

Muh Chinese have jobs that Americans dont

Americans don't what?

Okay so let's bring it back to domestic issues. Stop bringing in more people if you don't have enough jobs

Yes, stop bringing them in and stop offshoring since they're both effectively the same thing.

HOLY FUCK

GERNERILIZATIONS EVERYWHERE!

The native American (meaning people born in America) population is in decline naturally

Ergo if there are more people than jobs, let there be less people and stop basing everything around constant growth

There's nothing natural about America's population decline.

so you guys are saying that its okay to use slave labor in China for profitability

>people have been having fewer kids generation by generation
>not natural
Okay

That's always been what they're saying, m1.

In what way is it "slave" labor?

@m1 ignoring the slave labour comment, what is your solution?

perhaps hyperbolic, but when the workers are building iphones

and jumping to their deaths

where they put up nets

id say we are getting close

Except they choose to work

said every slave owner

@m1 what is your solution to China's shitty labour standards?

dont do business in china

They should be treated humanely of course but the difference between a slave and a worker it was his will not something caused by force

Okay, so take away the jobs they have currently. Now they have 0 income

are there no poor people in EU?

that will work for very low

like E. Europe countries

or do we just say fuck them

Wait, is your solution to just shift the same working conditions to Europe?

no

im sayiing that poor europeans prolly want jobs

and im saying you are selfish for giving them to the chinese

Okay, so we're still left with starving Chinese citizens from your empathetic plan

that's a chinese problem not mine

and yes

Do they matter less than Europeans?