Message from @Beemann

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2018-12-05 18:51:27 UTC  

It's the willful transfer of economic superiority from us to them by elements of our own society.

2018-12-05 18:52:57 UTC  

So you're owed their income?

2018-12-05 18:53:41 UTC  

Are they owed my income?

2018-12-05 18:54:30 UTC  

Sorry? I wasn't aware that not buying an iPad was punishable by death

2018-12-05 18:54:44 UTC  

Wut?

2018-12-05 18:54:50 UTC  

Meanwhile taxation is the application of force

2018-12-05 18:55:00 UTC  

No shit.

2018-12-05 18:55:04 UTC  

Government intervention is necessarily forceful

2018-12-05 18:55:26 UTC  

And the charge of treason for trade decisions implies that you are owed the money they have earned, in some sense

2018-12-05 18:55:37 UTC  

How have they earned it?

2018-12-05 18:55:57 UTC  

Because you paid for what they made, "you" being general

2018-12-05 18:56:24 UTC  

I have a product, I provide it, you buy it. That's my money now

2018-12-05 18:59:01 UTC  

We're not talking about the black market here.

2018-12-05 18:59:27 UTC  

No, we're talking about the most basic level of trade

2018-12-05 18:59:52 UTC  

I sell you thing for money, I use % of money to produce more of thing as efficiently as I can

2018-12-05 19:00:22 UTC  

The government dips into both ends to pay for security and services

2018-12-05 19:00:26 UTC  

I'm not interested in talking about trade in the lolbertarian state of nature.

2018-12-05 19:00:49 UTC  

That's how trade just works my dude, it's not libertarian magic

2018-12-05 19:00:59 UTC  

This is why you don't understand why people are outsourcing lol

2018-12-05 19:01:53 UTC  

No, trade in the real world that isn't for drugs and stolen property involves legal principles.

2018-12-05 19:02:01 UTC  

Such as?

2018-12-05 19:02:53 UTC  

People are outsourcing because we allow them to.

2018-12-05 19:03:07 UTC  

Such as all legal trade.

2018-12-05 19:03:40 UTC  

"What legal principles"
"All legal trade"
???

2018-12-05 19:04:07 UTC  

?

2018-12-05 19:04:10 UTC  

Tbh it sounds to me like you're not terribly for the principles America was built on, lad

2018-12-05 19:04:36 UTC  

America wasn't built on anarchy.

2018-12-05 19:04:50 UTC  

America was built on limited government power

2018-12-05 19:04:50 UTC  

How it outsourcing unprincipled?

2018-12-05 19:04:55 UTC  

*is

2018-12-05 19:05:24 UTC  

Having the government heavily regulate trade, to the point of near market control, doesn't sound like a limited government to me

2018-12-05 19:05:39 UTC  

If you don't want companies to outsource, don't buy outsourced products

2018-12-05 19:05:47 UTC  

Sounds more fascist

2018-12-05 19:06:31 UTC  

Taxing imports is hardly micromanaging trade.

2018-12-05 19:06:47 UTC  

Why should we tax imports?

2018-12-05 19:06:53 UTC  

Banning trade is not taxing imports

2018-12-05 19:07:12 UTC  

Who said anything about banning trade?

2018-12-05 19:07:59 UTC  

For government revenue, Make.

2018-12-05 19:08:22 UTC  

But are we gonna tax all trade equally?

2018-12-05 19:08:39 UTC  

All goods aren't equally taxable.

2018-12-05 19:08:46 UTC  

You directly said we shouldn't trade with the "third world" and that the current setup was the result of treason lol