politics-free-for-all

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2018-11-25 02:01:04 UTC

cybersecurity provides that option, since everything can pretty much be done remotely

2018-11-25 02:03:05 UTC

That's why I chose this company, I'm former NAvy Intel, and I got sick of single agency limitation and some other rather concerning integrity issues I saw being ignored after 1999. I left the Navy in 2002. Been in the private sector doing the exact same thing since 2010. The company I work for didn't actually exist until 2007 so it was just a matter of the right company coming along at the right time.

2018-11-25 02:03:44 UTC

If you wouldn't mind, would you send me some info on your company in a DM? I'd like to look into it

2018-11-25 02:03:48 UTC

But I turned down every offer I got from every other contractor.

2018-11-25 02:04:16 UTC

I'll be graduating with a MS in cybersecurity next summer, so I'm looking into as many opportunities as I can

2018-11-25 02:04:59 UTC

Sure. Since this is a new discord account, and our internal security policies are pretty stringent, I'll have to run it by my supe before I do that to make sure I don't say anything I shouldn't.

2018-11-25 02:05:21 UTC

Sure, I understand that. I'll send you a friend request so it's easier to find me when you get approval

2018-11-25 02:05:59 UTC

You could honestly just send a website link if that's all you're allowed to do

2018-11-25 02:07:04 UTC

But our hiring and security clearance adjudication policies are the most stringent in the industry. We do more active recruiting than open CV hiring and the vast majority of folks with an active TS/SCI can't pass our screening processes. We cover far more than just an SSBI based on an SF-86. There are personality, character and integrity assessments, psych evals out the wazoo, it's pretty intense.

2018-11-25 02:08:16 UTC

I'll be fresh out of grad school. I don't have any clearances at the moment

2018-11-25 02:08:51 UTC

but my criminal record is spotless and I've never been committed or put on meds lol

2018-11-25 02:08:52 UTC

There is a website, but the resolution to establish one wasn't passed until earlier this year, and the site isn't fully developed yet. Since we don't really "need" the marketing from a website, it's more of a "Sticking our head out from behind our corner" thing rather than a marketing effort.

2018-11-25 02:09:07 UTC

psst hey kid, wanna job?

2018-11-25 02:09:13 UTC

that sort of approach

2018-11-25 02:10:11 UTC

Actually, I was recruited after a talent outreach specialist had monitored my personal online activity for a couple years. I never even knew I was being considered until I got a random email one day.

2018-11-25 02:10:55 UTC

What a pleasant surprise lol makes you realize how important it is to watch what you do online

2018-11-25 02:11:52 UTC

And also to actually speak your "true mind" without fear of rejection or abuse. Facts are facts, and they don't care about anyone's feelings.

2018-11-25 02:13:34 UTC

I have no problem doing that

2018-11-25 02:13:44 UTC

That's why I like Tim so much. I certainly don't agree with everything he says but agreeing on *everything* with someone is just boring. But he speaks his mind and makes his case based on his understanding of the available facts and doesn't give two shits whether he's called a far-right reactionary by the regressive left or a crypto-SJW by far-right.

2018-11-25 02:14:01 UTC

I respect that.

2018-11-25 02:14:07 UTC

honesty is all we have. If we lose that, we lose everything

2018-11-25 02:15:10 UTC

Honesty, courage, and the ability to think clearly divorced from your emotions on a situation to make an accurate analysis of the current situation.

2018-11-25 02:15:45 UTC

Honesty takes courage.

2018-11-25 02:16:16 UTC

Especially in 2018 when lying for your own best interests at the expense of that of others is the expected norm.

2018-11-25 02:16:36 UTC

Emotions are dangerous when they get tied to irrational thought. I have to go, though. Dinnertime. Just send me a message when you can with whatever information you can give me regarding your company.

2018-11-25 02:17:48 UTC

Cheers. It's 2116 where I'm at right now, so it wouldn't be until Monday at the earliest. IF I had thought to get online a littler earlier, I might have caught my supe but it's late and a weekend. It's a skeleton crew right now.

2018-11-25 02:19:43 UTC

That's fine. I can handle waiting a few days I won't graduate until July lol

2018-11-25 02:20:35 UTC

Having emotions is fine. Being able to *control* them rather than being controlled *by* them is key.

2018-11-25 02:22:00 UTC

We have a strict non-partisan stance on politics and have people who consider themselves liberal and conservative who work together to solve some pretty complex issues together and being able to not let any kind of emotionally driven "political derangement syndrome" fuck things up is one of the reasons there is such a stringent vetting process.

2018-11-25 04:54:55 UTC

Does your workplace have an unofficial rule about not hiring potential SJWs?

2018-11-25 04:55:27 UTC

like dyed hair and/or lisp

2018-11-25 05:30:17 UTC

Not all people are social justice warriors with physical characteristics that stand out. Usually its more behavioral attitude that shows.

2018-11-25 05:37:08 UTC

Looking for people who show strong interest in the benefit of the minorities is literally my flag.

2018-11-25 12:26:56 UTC

Take them to Starbucks for the interview

2018-11-25 12:27:03 UTC

if they order a Soy Latte you know not to hire them

2018-11-25 16:04:00 UTC

lel

2018-11-25 22:21:43 UTC

https://youtu.be/3WEh51z1H_o A couple weeks old but D'Souza has some interesting ideas and viewpoints.

2018-11-25 22:32:56 UTC

Weeks??
Its 10 days

2018-11-25 22:32:58 UTC

not even two

2018-11-26 01:16:11 UTC

It's ELT math.

2018-11-26 03:20:35 UTC

The moon is made if cheese

2018-11-26 03:20:42 UTC

But I can't taste it

2018-11-26 04:44:09 UTC

I've cracked the code, the left can't meme because they try to make memes that try to make the "other side" angry. They do this because they always get mad at other memes, so they are just trying to do what they think works. In other words they lack a sense of humor

2018-11-26 07:21:33 UTC

Nah. Remember when the religious right made a bunch of TV stations and stuff and it was so dry and boring that no one wanted to watch it (except to make fun of it)? That you could only make fun of a very small number of groups and self-reflective humor was usually off-limits?

Well, people aren't calling the regressive left "a new religion" for no reason. That's why they can't meme as well.

2018-11-26 12:06:27 UTC

The left can meme and trigger the right. Take the case with an anti gun guy. He made a joke about nuking gun owners. All the pro gun owners threw a fit.

2018-11-26 12:06:49 UTC

Its actually 4 am

2018-11-26 12:06:51 UTC

Lol

2018-11-26 12:28:30 UTC

@4AM_critter ๐Ÿ‰ That wasn't a meme. It was barely a joke. Mostly it was just dumb.

2018-11-26 12:53:44 UTC

Yeah, meme != joke != controversial statement. A meme is a viral idea, something that spreads because people want to spread it. High fecundity and high (but not perfect) fidelity.

2018-11-26 12:54:44 UTC

The less-than-perfect fidelity is essential. The best memes lend themselves to easy mutation, which keeps the meme fresh and propagates it further. Exploitable images that can be easily photoshopped to apply to different situations.

2018-11-26 12:57:56 UTC

Another thing that helps the fecundity of memes is the illusion that they're an inside joke. Hence why memes tend to be born in the less traveled parts of the web and not facebook/twitter/etc. Mainstream appeal and a global audience is the surest way to kill a meme.

2018-11-26 12:59:34 UTC

That's not to say that something born on Twitter can't spread or mutate, but that they tend to die out quickly and have fewer mutations. It's not as funny of a joke if everyone is in on it.

2018-11-26 13:00:13 UTC

Subversion is also a big thing. A joke is funnier if it's being played on or behind the back of someone or something that is powerful.

2018-11-26 13:00:46 UTC

Think of middle school and the jokes and pranks you'd play when the teacher wasn't looking.

2018-11-26 13:04:18 UTC

The left's current position of institutional power and media dominance places it in a disadvantageous position for meme warfare. They don't have the same dark corners like 4chan where inside jokes can flourish, mostly because they don't need them. They have all the massive mainstream platforms. They can't be subversive because they're the ones in a position of cultural dominance. And plenty of people have already pointed out how the left is loathe to say anything that might conceivably trigger or offend one of their constituent protected classes.

2018-11-26 13:05:11 UTC

Memes are the tool of the cultural insurgent.

2018-11-27 03:50:42 UTC

General Motors is closing this plant in Canada in favor of one in Mexico

2018-11-27 03:52:41 UTC

Premier Doug Ford touched on this issue, saying that Canada had failed to remain competitive. The problem wasn't simply that we weren't competitive enough, but that we just can't compete with a country that allows large corporations to pay their workers next to nothing

2018-11-27 03:54:36 UTC

We have things like unions and labour laws that prevent that sort of thing

2018-11-27 03:56:32 UTC

Let Mexico have this. Labor there has been stifled there from having the same cuts Canada is feeling and from being used for that cheap labor. They haven't hit the part in their timeline yet where the workers have power of freedom. It'll take time.

2018-11-27 03:57:40 UTC

You fix the issue in your country and get the factories back, then Mexico loses theirs and never reaches the strength you're able to manipulate.

2018-11-27 04:01:03 UTC

So let's say that Mexico develops economically to where the US and Canada are today. Where does the industry go after that?

2018-11-27 04:01:54 UTC

mexico sends factories to equador and honduras

2018-11-27 04:02:14 UTC

no fucking immigrants want to come to the US from there lol

2018-11-27 04:03:06 UTC

except mexico won't send them. GM will, against the will of the Mexicans. Just like they are in Canada.

2018-11-27 04:03:20 UTC

GM and companies like it will just go to the next cheapest place

2018-11-27 04:03:34 UTC

Leaving unemployment behind them

2018-11-27 04:04:16 UTC

Oshawa is already rough in some areas. I expect to see crime skyrocket these next few years. All these people have in the way of jobs are retail now, or going to college for a tech/admin job in the city

2018-11-27 04:06:37 UTC

The factory had been there for over 100 years. It survived the great depression and countless other economic hard times, yet it couldn't survive this

2018-11-27 04:06:46 UTC

You assume GM won't be headquartered in Mexico if the economy becomes stable.

2018-11-27 04:07:20 UTC

Depends what happens there in regards to taxes if the economy becomes stable

2018-11-27 04:07:36 UTC

property taxes alone may be enough to dictate where an HQ will be

2018-11-27 04:07:46 UTC

and they will go up if the quality of life goes up

2018-11-27 04:08:44 UTC

Exactly, we haven't seen it out of Mexico yet. But this sort of thing does take time. Might take less time in modern days because of tech and universal knowledge, but it took the US a hundred years even with how powerful it was/is.

2018-11-27 04:09:15 UTC

from industrialization to when it began shipping jobs overseas and international trade

2018-11-27 04:09:33 UTC

What about Aleppo?

2018-11-27 04:10:10 UTC

Are we even talking about the same thing? @taekahn

2018-11-27 04:10:40 UTC

It was a (seemingly) lame attempt at a joke

2018-11-27 04:10:50 UTC

oof

2018-11-27 04:18:06 UTC

whats aleppo

2018-11-27 04:18:29 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/509549100061163520/516830145814986764/OOUPH.wav

2018-11-27 11:17:37 UTC

I keep making this argument:


If one keeps wages artificially high, then wages are not simply going to rise and everybody gets payed more. The difference might be having to choose between a low wage and the job not being available at all.

2018-11-27 11:18:25 UTC

That being said, when there are outside markets that do not play by the same rules as your domestic market, even Friedman points out that a degree of regulation might make sense here, in order to correct distortions that are not inherent in the market.

2018-11-27 11:20:36 UTC

The error many regulations commit is that they assume that their passing will simply apply to the current market and consumer behaviors. When regulations change, behavior changes with them, so raising taxes on a certain good, or regulating a certain area of the market cannot be assumed on the basis of current figures.

2018-11-27 11:32:43 UTC

Minimum wage argument is a waste of time. Anyone who doesn't see how flawed it is, doesn't want to.

2018-11-27 11:33:24 UTC

No, it's not a waste. I didn't take the time to understand the issues with it until my 20s.

2018-11-27 11:33:52 UTC

If someone doesn't want to argue honestly about it after you present the facts, fine. I agree with you there. IT's like arguing with pigeon:

2018-11-27 11:34:04 UTC

it will shit on the board, knock over the pieces, and pretend it won.

2018-11-27 11:34:26 UTC

But there are people out there who are receptive to the arguments and just haven't been introduced to them.

2018-11-27 11:34:57 UTC

Most of the time they are not engaged in the thread, so have not emotional investment in the outcome of the discussion, but lurk and you can red pill them as onlookers.

2018-11-27 11:35:43 UTC

I don't always do a good job at that, but I try to bring good arguments in public debates, even when I realize that my opponent is not arguing in earnest.

2018-11-27 11:36:46 UTC

If I argue with someone in private and they are just throwing idiotic nonsense out there, I terminate the conversation and drop a few links so I don't have to make the same arguments over again that people better than me have made.

2018-11-27 15:03:56 UTC

I enjoy our chats, UM. As I've stated, I haven't worked for minimum wage since I was in high school, my daughter who is about to enter the workforce will make more than it, and as an employer we have no positions that make minimum although with Oregon's higher minimum it's getting close.

2018-11-27 15:04:27 UTC

I am familiar with economics and actually have worked at the University of Chicago so am familiar with their school of economics.

2018-11-27 15:06:00 UTC

Personally I'm less for an particular solution than for the result. I don't want legal Americans starving or dying unnecessarily. We are rich enough to ensure our people can live reasonably regardless of circumstance.

2018-11-27 15:06:05 UTC

Anyone who thinks minimum wages are bad, is completely idiotic

2018-11-27 15:06:20 UTC

How we do that is open to lively and rational debate

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