@scaryred24

get your eyes fixed and like idk

download the image

wew

i could read it just fine

tfw i don't know shit about russiadrama

Trump must think he's holding all the cards he needs to put an end to this game.

https://twitter.com/Ruptly/status/1041775436504723456?s=20

He is.

wat

The reason he hasn't done this before is that he could possibly have been seen as obstructing justice. But if that's no longer a concern then there's no reason not to just release everything.

He was preparing other shit and waited for the right moment

You know what's in 2 Months

He's meddling in the election....

There was no benefit for him to release the documents sooner

Now he can hurt the Dems with the Document, so its a good time to release it

`meddling in the election`
This was once called politics

Whoa, did Styx just take a piss on Shapiro??
https://youtu.be/y3SUsFntmkc?t=556

"he might have gotten Ben Shapiro to write Israeli Propaganda"....

Well ben is well known for that

Any speculation as to the timeline of release of documents? If the texts are going to be unredacted then it's only the FBI reports that would require scrutiny for possible sensitive info.

they probably do it next month, right before the elections

i think its more likely the FBI comes back and tries to come up with a reason to not release the info, just to keep their narrative until the election

Drip... drip... drip...

FBI can't

lmao the media thought playing dirty by shutting down Jones shortly before the election was a good idea, now trump is playing their game

they will do a similar thing to what happened last time. Mueller will come up and say "im still investigating "

Trump is doing them a courtesy by giving the DNI any opportunity at all to review the documents.

He can declassify anything.

No one can countermand him as far as I know.

you are probably right

but im still thinking excuses will be made

~~aside from the state assassins they'd send if he tried to declassify anything too hush-hush~~

i cant wait to see what actually gets declassified.

im hoping everything comes out, im tired of hearing about the russian crap.

<:TimThink:482277772497125378> Wonder what will happen when they come out with absolutely nothing,

Like on all levels,
What will happen to the media
To Trumps popularity
To the Democratic Party
To the Republican Party
To America

i have wondered that as well. will heads at news rooms roll?

i would think someone, possibly a lot of people, would get sued

except they can all claim they thought it was true

I'm not even sure,

2 things can happen

Either they get destroyed and be forced to suffer through the failed world they set up for themselves

OR they'll say "This lack of evidence only PROVES theres collusion, we must resist and investigate MORE"

i think number 2 does have a high probability of happening

the ol' kafka trap

"your denial only proves you have something to hide"

but the flip side of it, what if the documentation has it clear as day that the collusion was there

and mueller was trying to get the last piece of the puzzle he needed

will the right accept it and start the paperwork needed?

Impeachment, followed by a quick destruction of the US economy, followed by China becoming the new rulers of the world, and europe collapsing and becoming the Islamic state of Europe

oh for the love of god

impeach trump we get pencelandia, i dont see that as the destruction of everything

well, he'll have to declare war on Russia

If you're gay and into electro shocks its gonna be a great time

for making a joke of the US

besides

Pence would prolly know if there was collusion

meaning he'd have to go too

not neccicarily

Wouldn't that make Paul Ryan president? <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

i actually think thats why he is being so low key

so if the impeachment happens

he is still clean

the articles of impeachment do allow for the VP to take over if he was not in on it

I think he's low key cuz Trump has no use for him aside from being a Snake, and the link to the devout christian followers of America

well there is that aspect of it i suppose.

i do agree we would take fast action against russia, not sure if war would start, i think we would try to scantion them into the dirt at first at least. really depends on what the russian response to seeing trump go would be.

Ok but. What's left to sanction?

As it stands, Pence is basically the "daughter that marries a foreign king to strengthen alliances" 😛

the rest of their oil industry, i think they still have some of that left

Can we banned Russian accounts on csgo pls

i could be wrong though

Sanctions don't work as a general rule

Sanctions create middle-men

ya but its still our go too, thats why im pretty sure they would be first

yeah, but thats just to entertain the masses

the Oil sanctions on Russia are a farce

Russia now trades it to Serbia, and Serbia sells it to Europe

because Serbia isn't bound by EU sanction authority

it would still be step one like it or not lol

yeah but russia is unaffected by it now

Its step one, only to tell the masses "we're taking action"

i do think it could be the one thing to bring everyone back together a good ol russian stomp

why yes, a good ol' scattering our very atoms into the air as radioactive dust would bring us closer together than ever

so you think we would go direct to nukes?

no

but what other outcome would a solid "russian stomp" get?

i guess i see your point there

their response to the attack would be nukes, fair point

nuclear deterance

Russia can't win army vs army

but they can cause Mutually assured destruction

ya thats what i come back to

Metal Gear solid covered this

"If you win, we all go"

the "deterance" we claim to have ready

we haz nukes

they do too

tru

which is why i really dont think it would be as cut and dry as we would declair open war

if russia handed over the agents they claim were "responsible" i bet we would wash our hands and call it a day

just going off normal responses here, not suggesting anything crazy

yea but putin cant turn over the agents. It would make him appear weak

exactly

I think it is time to elect Vermin Supreme

look weak or have a nuke at your throat.......... i bet he goes weak

if he doesnt get ousted

almost all cases of the eastern powers being difficult is meant to be a sign of strength

there comes a point where russia would have a response of their own

and we wont touch russia

if "their guy"

was found out

Nah, they'd just take sanctions, and then dodge them with 3rd parties

and everything will be the same again

how strong will putin appear to russia at that point

his own party would kick him out

cant nuke them and invading russia never works unless you are the mongols

or hand him over to avoid war

they wuoldn't hand him over

cuz thats a sign to each other that they're weak, and could just be next the next time the US would make demands

i think you way overestimate their allegience to putin

you can only sanction the russians so much

its not allegiance to putin at all

But if 10 people are all willing to sell the otehr 9 out

they'd have no trust to work togetehr

he is really popular

so the first one to become the "leader" would execute the other 9 cuz they can't be trusted anymore

cuz they sold Putin out too

its possible

i cant really say one way or the other

i would like to think the russian people would come into play at some point, but cant really count on them doing much

awww yes the purge of leadership

well if they get caught, he likely will be brought up on some international charges... at least i would think? i am not really sure how that would work

but this is all just supposing that there is something there

i dont really think there is

i think the groups posting the ads are the most they will come up with

if they got caught, Russia would get sanctions, which they then dodge with a 3rd party

And the same masses that believe the establishment from "non-russia" countries would be content cuz Muh russia gotting dem sanctions!

which... anyone can buy ads

international charges are useless

im not sure i follow that last line Doc

trying to

Russia gets sanctions that don't actually work

the West citizens will be happy cuz Russia is being "punished"

No war, Neither side ultimately loses

i see what you mean now ok

Its a very old game played in the modern world

agreed

you pretend to punish them, and they just go "ow, noooo stop, we're the bad"

and you secretly high-five under the table

so if there was meddeling, i WOULD like to see something more than just sanctions. i agree they are just a lip service type punishment

but what would be the proper punishment

putin in jail would be one to me

but thats just one thing

there isn't really one, I'd guess the best punishment would be a formal apology and monetary payment made

I died a little bit inside when I heard use a Swiss army knife to install computer components

Russia paying the US a few billions

And everyone moves on

meh thats another non punishment punishment though

nah, you actually benefit that way

cuz its a one-way benefit

nah nothing benifits me lol

well the US state would get it, and they'd give it to mexicans 😛

it would just go to the def budget

but the problem with Sanctions is how they work "We wont trade with you" So you stop your own trade too

Meaning both sides lose from it, one just more than others

would be cool if we used that money to make a better election system, but i wont hold my breath for that

and through 3rd parties you can just resume those deals, albeit a bit strained cuz the 3rd parties gain some money from it too

ya just the drug dealers middle men at that pont

so, ok, lets put punishment to the side for a sec

we need a better election system in this country. a more hardened system

people could hack our voter machines with a TI-85 if they wanted too

they are such garbage devices i wouldnt let my mom use one if it was donated

what would you suggest though?

Paper ballots can be falsified too

oh hell no

i mean we need new devices all together

ones that cannot be found just connecting to the local wifi of the library

something that connects directly to a larger database to tally the votes

and who's gonna pay for those machines?

well, this is one of those things that the government SHOULD pay for

the fed

its to secure the elections of the country

yes but government doesn't have their own money

Government money is Taxpayer money

i think thats a pretty easy sell

i dont think you will find too many tax payers that disagree we need better voting machines

and they sure as hell wont use money from other budgets

They'll demand to increase taxes to pay for it, and people wont do it

maybe some will squabble on who pays for them

but that should be pretty easily worked into the budget

let me look that up, im not sure who buys them currently, im assuming the state

oh wow maybe the county level, no wonder some of the places have craptastic devices

besides

the higher-ups of neither side want to change the machines

cuz they need an excuse for why they didn't win

ok here we go

Most of the country replaced voting equipment in the mid-2000s, with the help of federal HAVA funds

so its not out of the relm of possibilities

http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/election-costs.aspx

if you want to see where i got that

voting equipment towards the bottom

but the state still got to pick the machines used

so to me, seems like we need a fed funded non retail machine for this

stop using dells lol

I believe you, Im just saying that theres not enough push for it because the ones at the top dont want better,
The average government doesn't want to spend money,
and the average joe doesn't wanna pay more in taxes for it

well your first like was correct

no one wants to fix the problem because they are all hoping they can exploit it when its their turn

yes

besides, any system can be cracked

ya but the degree of difficulty is an issue

currrently i could probably pick 5 counties right now here in nc

and i bet you money i could just guess the admin PW for those machines

federal voting standards and machines are needed at this stage

Wasn't John Podestas E-mail password jsut Obama2016? 😛

even if there was no problems

it is still needed

it probably was, thats not a horrible password, just not a good one

i know admins still using Password

Nope

no bullshit

exactly, the big issue is human error, cuz its not engineers thats running those machines, its just average plebs

Remember when Apple accidentally borked root password 2x?

but thats my point @Dr.Wol with better equipment that has to follow guidelines we can remove the human error

That Intel Meltdown was a worse issue 😛

we already have computer standards for handling credit card data

you dont want the voting to be at least that secure?

who was it again that said
If you make something Idiot proof, the universe will just make a better idiot?

probably some idiot

lol

couldnt resist

i just couldnt

I get what you mean to say, dont get me wrong :P, but theres no 100% guarantee

I mean it would have been great to idiot-proof the hawaii nuclear defense system when that went down

oh not by any means

i agree with you

but i bet we could get at least a 50% chance

where as now we are at like 10

and thats not missing a 0

besides, most voting fraud isn't done by machines, its more subtle ways

by having people drive to multiple voting sites etc

wouldnt be able to do that with a federal system

that would get eliminated

your vote was counted

have a nice day

well you'd need to get everyone fully registered

ya i know that part is a sticking point for a lot of people

it is a hard one to fix

Else you can be Billy Bob in one area, and Burt Maclin in another

you can do that already

thats how what you described currently works

exactly

thats my point, so in order to avoid that, everyone needs a full registry and voting ID

OMG! SHE'S WHISTLING WITEY

ya i cant believe she is going to get away with that

after all the bs

NAZI

that pic looks a couple years old

but man would it be so funny if it was from like last week

Implementing a system like that would take a lot of time, and as said before the public would actually want something like that to exist.

once a white supremacist, always a white supremacist