Forget the wall already, it's time for the U.S. to have open borders - USA TODAY
https://apple.news/A7nMALMcNRMa9Pio5AvvymQ

There you have it

It's nonnegotiable

XD LOOOOOOL wow

idk how they think it would work even remotely similarly to how it does in europe

like how fucking dumb do you have to be

*very*

*very dumb*

Dumb enough to defend sex traffickers being arrested by ice

XD also

dumb enough

Sorry liberals but democracy is the only nonnegotiable

to think that the 90% of women who are raped while being trafficked

is because of ICE

I think IcE is preventing the last 10% from getting raped

well look at it from their angle of thinking:

If ICE didn't deport them for being illegal, they wouldn't have to be smuggled, so they wouldn't get raped by the human trafficers

Now we're advocating for a 10% increase in rape

Nice

i mean. idk wouldnt the smugglers still operate

even if it was an open border

ofc they would

but not in their eyes

in their eyes, socialism works too

cuz they have all the organisation setup and infastructure

and money they get from smuggling

XD you guys hear about the progressive conservatives cancelling the universal basic income trials in ontario

man so many butthurt liberals

Didnt that happen in Finland too?

http://huffp.st/YCA2GDm

The fuck is a progrsssive conservative

XD its the name

Lmao i heard about it someone on reddit applied to t

of the part cracky rob fords brother started

its jsut a name lol

i mean

to be fair

they are as really progressive as progressives (in that they are regressive)

@KidKrakower Yes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43866700

"The 29-year-old previously worked three jobs to pay her bills in Hamilton, Ont. Basic income allowed her to focus on her full-time work at a non-profit"

Did it end because it didn't work?

UBI turning out to not work, color me shocked

Makes you think

🤔

nah, its impossible to do in a free society

both socially and mathematically

only time UBI can work, is when society is so advanced, UBI isn't needed anymore cuz we have star trek level technology to make things out of thin air

What is ubi

Universal Basic Income

basically those above articles plans

People get free money just cuz

Cuz society needs to prepare for when machines take over menial labor

Is that just paying everyone so that no one is below the poverty line?

I wish they gave more info on why it didnt work

Like both articles just say "yeah it wasnt working"

well in canada they have barely any info

it just got cancelled cuz teh PCs dont like UBI

they actually said they were keen to see teh results fo the 3 year study before

but then canned it

not just for poverty

When burger flippers / busdrivers / shop clerks are no longer needed,
and these people are generally not educated/smart enough to get higher level jobs

So they'll become unemployable

which is pretty gay

@KidKrakower Same. My thoughts too back when the Finnish result was reported on. And I dont speak Finnish so couldnt dig through their media for answers.

even if it wasnt gonna work id like to see exactly WHY and the results of those studies

Completely unrelated but I think this server needs a place to post music

shitposting

😂

XD yeah or a music channel

@JULZIFICATOR yeah exactly

A place _specifically_ for music

music snobs find other peoples music shit 😛 hence it fits?

shitposting

Whether it worked or not (I dont think it would at this point) I would like some research done on it

Especially if it becomes more popular of a concept in the future

There's actually a leftist argument against UBI.

https://youtu.be/J10jKdPRN9A

I don't think ubi would work because giving everyone a bunch of money would just lower the money's value, and replacing the lowest level jobs with robots would just push the next lowest level into the new lowest level. You'd have to give people an infinite amount of money and automize all the jobs for it to work

Then money would be worthless and you'd basically turn into the people in Walle

That's assuming there's enough food for everyone

Its an impossibility in theory

- You can't just generate money as a state, that would cause inflation, making the money itself worthless

- You have to get it out of taxes from those who still work, meaning their work becomes less valuable cuz they're literally paying people to stay home and live

- The very rich (who would be taxed the most) would most likely just leave and form a smaller state and only pay for security, since robots fix basic needs now

- If you get enough money from the state to "live", then people will not be motivated to work, cuz they can just live without it,
Thus causing a shortage of high-skilled labor which isn't replaced yet

I think we're saying two sides of the same coin

Tl;dr the leftist argument: "It's a market- based solution and markets are bad as they fluctuate. Also, the wealthy in society are all advocating for UBI so that's suspicious".

well they are right

UBI would make people dependent

"tax would have to increase by nearly 30% to fund a basic income. It also argued that basic income would increase income inequality and raise Finland's poverty rate from 11.4% to 14.1%." from the article about finnland

so its gonna be used to either bribe people to not riot, or keep people enslaved by giving them the minimum

I agree with all of those points, @Dr.Wol , I just wish there was hard data to back it up; so you wouldn't have to say "in theory"

@Sarah Jessica Farter XD lol the wealthy advocating part

It's impossible to "fix" the market because fixing the market assumes your solution works for any market condition (a recession vs boom times)

the hard data is there, its why they quit the testing, but people knowing it is "inconvenient" for the argument that we need UBI

UBI is an excellent selling point for raising taxes that will just "vanish" again

Altho with the doom and gloom scenario you propose, maybe it would be best if we didnt experiment ☠

XD yeah fix as in fix teh value of goods or fix the value of money

neither are good

To remove all other market conditions would turn it into a command control economy

And that too,

With UBI, companies can just up the price of products, since you can afford it now

i mean the data is not readily advailible

unless u have some sources

@JULZIFICATOR Is he wrong? I honestly don't know. He gave some examples in his video of wealthy pro-UBI advocates but I can't remember who they were. Charles Murray, the US conservative was one.

Anyone here have a background in economics? I'm a software eng so all my knowledge is self-taught

its not available cuz the data is against UBI, hence they wont share the data, if it works, they'd gladly share it to go "SEE, we need it and it works!"

@KidKrakower edcucate yourself bigot

i got that reference

LOL well elon musk and the ZUCK both advocate for it

but the zucks known as a bona fied leftist

Clearly we only need to know feminist basket weaving to understand a complex global economics

Zucc is not leftist. Leftist means anti-capitalist.

Or a BA from BU like ocasio cortez

Well, it's a nebulous term, I suppose.

Zucc is pretending to be left for the positive reputation it gives him

it is known

Leftist isn't anti-market. The far authoritarian left is anti-market

yeha i should say is an advocate for the leftist voice in the US

It is amazing he has remained so universally disliked in spite of that

cant cuck the zukk

Sure. Centre left, left liberal, or whatever.

thats cuz he's pissing on the rational people
And the irrational ones hate him cuz he's not like them (Poor and oppressed)

I don't mean to sound picky but I think the majority of people who are left of center wouldn't consider themselves anti-market

Just saying

yeah left of centre indeed

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i wouldnt call a left of centre person a leftist

That's what I mean. Centre left is social democracy. "Welfare capitalism".

leftists basically means far left.

I reject that centrism is social democracy

i mean

Just means higher tax rate and public spending but still within a capitalist economic system.

while some centre left ppl may be for social democracies

id say its less than half

Centrism is a wide umbrella. I'd say its everything from social democracy to moderate conservatism. Again, these labels are all pretty subjective though.

social democracy is just monetary socialism

Instead of seizing the means of production and redistributing it
you seize the wealth and redistribute it

just because anyone in teh centre is defined by being a mixed bag

Kill all white men but it's for equality

XD "mainstream news is the new jerry springer" fucking on point tim

what commies dont understand

State mandated interracial marriage to end racism

as a fairly attractive dude

State mandated catgirls to end incel weeaboos

id get madd pussy if we lived under communism

Press x to doubt

X

not to mention id actually have more money

haha

listen to this one

cuz im a broke ass musician

and you think communism would get you more than broke? 😛

1 dollar is more than 0 dollar

even if its reall fuckign close

under communism you'd not only have 0 dollar

you'd also lose your musician status

not to mention commies hate musicians

Thats why the best thing you can do to stop crazies from occupying the left

is get them to state their position

openly and in writing if possible

Take the IWW for example

why not in interpetive dance?

lol

A friend described them to me as a union for all industries

id have them interpretive dance on my dick

you'd have a 400 pound feminist dance on your dick?

😎

when you read their cosntiution you find out that they literally want the end of capitalism

XD

want that engraved on your tombstone too?

more cusion for the pushin brah

XD HAHAHAH that would be the best tombstone

you'd be on the bottom

You above is oppression

"id have them interpretive dance on my dick" Julz 1994-2018

"you'd have a 400 pound feminist dance on your dick?"
Why did you have to put this image into my head

Kill me please

RIP

Here lies Julzifactor
???? - 2018
"i'd have them interpretive dance on my dick"

lol well im dead from laghter atm

💀

on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate his julzifactor

u could say that feminist used alot of killajules

😎

LOL dude its Julzificator not julzifactor

jus sayin lol

I choose to by Dicklexic

Take what you're given.

We didnt get our own memes.

XD lol i mean Julz is just what ppl in RL call me

that works too

hahah yeah i like it im jus sayin XD

If you die with a boner, there's a little mound of dirt there.

Pitching a dirt tent.

XD im fuckin dead lol fuck i cant stop laughing

lol id be a real boner at that point

doot doot

SJW RISE

(Skeleton Jazz Warrior)

mind you, that image was actually made about me

this is the original

XD LOL THE QUOTE

they certainly dont

why does Tims new video look like he's inside a cubical now? 😛

XD he probably is filmin in a corner

or set up a couple dividers

nah, i don't buy it 🤔 he's probably working at HuffingtonFeed now

/partitions

hiding from dancing 400 pound feminists

XD

yeah theyre killer

i mean, he's just missing a poster there of his cat with the caption "Kitty believes you can do it"

for inspiration

inside his Beanie-cubical

XD the best kind of cubicle

or even better, like that disney image of the 3 pigs, having a picture of a sausage behind them captioned "father"
Tim should have a painting of a beanie 😛

Xd jesus

lol super god saiyan god super saiyan beanie

mmm man im gettin hungrier

I'm white and I claim Tim's race 100%

Just dip in on Tims "White People are Dying Off Slowly" video, It is not surprising that white peoples death being larger than births, the Demographic transition model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_transition) predicts that countries with populations with the late stage of model should hit a point where deaths outweigh births, white people in America being *the first* to hit this stage in America are expected to see a stagnation or slow decline of their population, you see the same thing a happening in Japan. But just because white people are the first to hit it, they are not to be expected to be the last, so it is expected to see that people become integrated into the country & experiencing similar success that their populations will slow down & stagnate too, assuming immigration stopped from places that have not hit the last stages of the model.

he's not logner allowed to claim to be mixed race

i mean i find the whole "white genocide" by population replacement thing to be so hyperbolic

in the sense that people are making an issue out of it

as if white people are ever going to be extinct

i mean white people are already a minority

on planet earth

Tim needs to talk about the mass hysteria on ghost guns and 3d printed guns

Because it is hilarious people think it is undetectable to metal detectors

Like one of them is saying how the bolt and firing pin can be made out of plastic and the barrel is plastic and it can shoot fully semi automatic

@Timcast You said you needed people who are knowledgeable about designer drugs?

I know the owner of a local smartshop, pretty well known nationally

What?

You mean they can make lsd tongue sublinguals pretty?

😏

I see u fucks are forcing memes

Millhouse will never be a meme

XD

Milhouse is not a meme*

forced memes aren't funny

^

but people cringing about your forced memes, that's funny.

I think the big problem with how "white genocide" is framed is that it makes it sound like the people who are responsible for it are the people who are not white, rather than just white people deciding to not bone, or to not bone other white people. Japans Population is in decline because the Japanese have hit late stages of the model & they are not letting immigrants in to grow their population.

XD fucking right

yeuuuuuuuup i mean the name alone is hyperbolic >.>

Forced and dead memes are worse than skub lovers

no ur mom gay

*^ example of a forced dead meme*

Indeed.

I forget where but there was an article (I think posted here) arguing that among non-white native families, the birth/death rate is approaching the same as the white rate.

Uhh, somehow missed the convo. This was aimed @da britian

Guys. I just want to let you know that I love memes. I just love 'em! (Said in Obama's voice)

ur not the only one bud

is it just me or did tim change the name of his latest timcast vid?

musta gotten some copyright fuckery for saying jerry springer

in the title

Looks like he did change the title

indeed im not talkin shit

lol i figure its an IP thing

(even though i talk shit aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalot)

(also we all already knew tim gets dressed up as a clown and juggles bananas, not news)

his stage name is Capt Beanie