yes, gender, race and sexual orientation are protected

if you hate based on any of those attributes.... at least in the UK its a crime

Oh i was thinking US law.

You said Antifa

Which is US based

antifa is everywhere

and I think they started in germany

Anti Facist groups are everywhere

in the 1930's

This is why it irks me that people just say 'antifa' and assume one monolith now

But trying to fight the tide on that is pointless

There is many different anti facist groups all around the world

when they started .. there were actual fascists... as in an actual political party called the fascist party in italy

?

Just because two groups use a similar name does not mean they nessesarily hold similar views

Especially with a big time gap

Antifa originated in Europe.

and different nationalities

the fascist party manifesto was written by Mussolini

Antifa was inspired by groups in Europe

Yes

But the American group isnt the same group

The European version is more extreme (I think).

nono... antifa started in germany....

like... they have the exact same logo as the 1930's party

^

It's not the exact same, its a copy cat, and they arent the same group.
It's like the rising fist thing, so many groups use that as theirs

It doesnt make them all the same

picture taken in 1932 https://images.jacobinmag.com/2015/11/17010455/KPD.jpg

see the logo

I've gone on some Antifa websites.

They trace themselves to the German anarchists in the 30s\

Yes, trace

That is 100% true

That's their own characterization.

Yeah, they view themselves as successors

I know they also insist they're many distinct groups.

But that's more of an organizational strategy and tactic than distinctions in their movement.

interestingly... the things in the fascist manifesto would probably be right up modern antifa's alley

Well their movement historically has been very one dimensional

Oppose facism

That's about it

for example "the state takes into account the individual, only so far as his interests align with the states" - Benito Mussolini

It's kinda like the Black Block has multiple roles and positions that "distinct" groups are supposed to fill (and it's color coded if you go find some antifa willing to talk, everyone knows where they fit even when they deny being affiliated with other groups_

But now you peg them as authoritarian left in the US

(And admittedly a good amount of them seem to be)

But to me that seems to be more a highjacking of the group then anything else

For example (assuming I'm not swapping colors here, it's not a costume, it's just a designation)

Reds: Actually smash stuff injure People
Blacks: By standers who are supposed to remain peaceful. Also wear masks to make it hard for police to identify Reds. Yell stuff like "peaceful protest" whenever violence starts to confuse any 3rd parties.
Greens: Don't actually wear disguise (at least not for long) Actually talk with reporters. Say they're there for medical support (they are)

Red/Black is a historical symbol for anarcho-communism (which, yes would be distinct than authoritarianism). But when people are smashing businesses and demanding compliance, it strikes people as rather authoritarian.

Yeah.

They're supposed to be a protest movement (Against some sort of Facist government, or at least very authoritarian one)
But they're using the same tactics against people that often arent trying to shut anybody up, or censor anyone.

Which just makes them plain villians in alot of cases

They really are.

Personally though, this trend in the last 2-3 years (Thats about as long as ive noticed anyways) of assuming everyone further left then center left is a authoritarian with a SJW-like agenda frusturates me. I understand how it happened, and i certainly see how people on the other side of end up with that impression, but i dont view it as very true.
SJW-like agendas regardings gender identity, race, etc infecting those groups in some cases is also incredibly depressing for me to see.

Before the Trump era i could pretty comfortably call myself left or left leaning, but now the moment i do that, a whole host of people will assume alot of things about my positions that are far from the truth.

Ah, I see where you're going.

theyre officially a terrorist group right?

You're sayign there's a tendency to lump all the left with ANTIFA.

every time I hear 'Trump era' i must cringe

according to fbi

Mostly because they're loud.

Not just Antifa, authoritarian/SJW-like left in general

and the fbi hates trump so... 😛

Also i get the 'Trump-era' cringe, but the atmosphere in US politics really did feel like it changed around the same time.

ANTIFA and SJW are distinctly different though.

Yes, but you'd be surprised (Or not) how many lump them together

there is quite the overlap so..

My point is made for me.

Maybe it's just me, but how many in the general population have had to be concerned about race before 2010?

I didn't lumped them together, I just said there is overlap

ANTIFA and SJW are lumped because ANTIFA seems very deep on the SJW scale.

Yeah no, i get you. You have reasons for assuming a person that falls in one, might sympathize with the other.

And they're justified in alot of cases

I haven't ever met or seen a hard core ANTIFA punk that wasn't at some level concerned with Social Justice Concerns to some degree or another. And alot of the prominent public ANTIFA types also will tend to endorse very SJW positions.

SJW itself is a very rapidly rising tide. There's pushback from the left (like Tim). Really, that's actually bipartisan because most members of the professional class are too afraid to oppose it (and a number of prominent neoconsrevatives have endorsed it)

I dont fall in either, and i'd rather not be assumed in either because i say im left leaning.

All SJWs aren't Antifa, but most Antifa are social justice warriors

Is Tim considered left?

Because they share the same values

So while being SJW does not imply ANTIFA, ANTIFA's anti-racism stance tends to overlap extremely heavily with SJ.

He claims so.

@ScarletTim is a social liberal

Pretty frequently.

And social liberal is very left

I'm not sure what the convo is exactly about because it's almost 4am and I'm too tired to scroll all the way up but I'll say there is also difference between Social Justice ADVACE and Warrior

'Social liberal' is a umbrella i'd usually be comfortable under.

It's in the middle of the bottom left

Advocate*

ffs

But depending on country, that could be center left more then anything

The problem is that it's becoming hard to tell what that means.

Nah, centre left is classical liberal

Like sargon

Or Dave rubin

Personally, I don't like all these labels.

You have a very idea of what lies where then me.

I think you have to endorse certain positions to place well.

Classical liberals are fairly firmly right leaning to me

Rather than take broad terms.

They're libertarian though

This is a problem with Left-Right