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USA is a rogue state?

It is lol

These two... are brutal.

https://twitter.com/hodgetwins/status/1057468114969931777

I am sitting here and watching them like... oh shit.... :\

ima take away your koolaid son

Ilegaly invades other countries, abducts people and imprisons them

I never heard of these two.

I just started looking at their twitter feed.

Are they youtubers, comedians, celebrities or something?

Also assainates their own citizens with no due process

USA will never be a rogue state, cuz apparently the USA decides who IS a rogue state 😛

That is legal rogue state in my book imo

and they'll be like facebook on censoring conservatives

We are not a rogue state, we are a international super power.

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"Rogue state or outlaw state is a term applied by some international theorists to states they consider threatening to the world's peace. This means being seen to meet certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian governments that severely restrict human rights, sponsoring terrorism and seeking to proliferate weapons of mass destruction."

Doc

I said legal rogue state

Right now, we are fed up with people taking advantage of us, so we re looking inwards to take care of our nation.

By that i mean ignoring international law when it suits them

Get our own lawn in order before we help other's with their own lawns.

Yeah while waging 8 wars

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Good inward looking there

Well what do you want us to do? Leave the warzone, allow power vaccume?

Yes

but thats not what a rogue state is defined under Zutt 😦

Let the whole middle east exploded and cause more chaos?

Leave

If we leave, trust me, things will be much much worse.

Its in chaos because of us in the first place

the fact the US WENT to the middle east is why it became worse in teh first place

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Nothing was wrong there before they removed Saddam

I know.... but we fucked it up, we need to deal with the power vaccume.

you created the power vaccuum

If we leave it now, we are ruining it for everyone else in the area.

and in trying to fix it, you made it worse by leaving equipment for ISIS to claim

WE need to fix the issue we caused, personal responsibility.

no

fuck that

AFter that, we should not involve ourselves in anything else anymore.

Leave, let them all kill each other

The refugees would flee into Europe even more.

at some point it will re-establish itself

There would be wars that involve the eastern nations.

I see dusty

And exactly how

Will droning fix anything ?

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you realise that you'd have a never-ending problem then right Dusty?

Cuz other nation rebels would cause trouble, dragging new nations into it

No droning will not fix anything.

Syria had nothing to do with the Iraqi war

So why did trump increased it ?

Huh ?

The plan he had was to increase combat prowls, to finish the war quickly.

To end it fast.

To get it over with and done with.

Instead of pussy footing around.

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Yeah that sure is working great

Just pull out

theres 2 ways to end a war,

Genocide, kill everyone
Retreat and let them sort themselves out

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Would you guys be willing to put up with the chaos that ensues from us pulling out?

you can't occupy a country and wait for the natives to accept your peaceful ways

It will show up at your front door step.

100%

Rather quickly.

It will not lol

Dude, i'm for shooting refugees at the border if they are crossing further than the "nearest safe country"

Are you sure... it already has with the refugee crisis.

The syria would have been long over if usa just fucked off

yes the refugee crisis was handled miserably

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also what Zutt said

Assad was winning on all sides

I agree with the syria thing.

then EU and US gave rebels weapons

and those rebels then became ISIS

and caused problems all over

I agree with you wanting US out, but i also thinking about how much trouble it would cause for everyone else.

How it would effect eastern nations.

it wouldn't

Eastern Nations would shoot people at the border

Also it was USa who caused Libya

like the west should

Just fuck off

Obama... my god he was the worst.

Leave the oil be

How many wars did he get us into?

1

it was Bush that caused the other 7

Libya, Syria... there is some more.

Yemen.

I thought bush only got us into Iraq and Afghanstan.

bush got the entire region involved in Iraq

Nope the drone program counts as war

Drones are just a different kind of war, still war though

U.S. military forces have been at war for all eight years of Obama’s tenure, the first two-term president with that distinction. He launched airstrikes or military raids in at least seven countries: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

exactly

and now you wanna continue that to "fix" things

Syria, Libya and Somalia are the direct result of trying to "fix" the Afghanistan, Iraq and Yemen war

Well I think pulling out and just leaving everyone to their own devices will eventually throw the whole region into chaos and involve all the eastern nations.

Problem is that we just aren't good at fixing things like that

so let them

its not our problem

You can't fix stupid, and those regions are stupid

It is true that we could stay and fix things, but we are bad at it

Well we could get other nations who know what they are doing in fixing help us... guide us.

Then we can learn from it.

you put too much faith in the intelligence of man

if there were nations who would know how to fix those things, they'd be fixed by now

With Trump, we have a huge glimpse into what it is like being president.

Since he can't keep his mouth shut on that topic.

XD

If we aren't already doing it, we probably won't be doing it anytime soon

Dusty its the military industrial complex

Why you are not pulling out

Let them all go,

They'll kill each other like they do now, but not at our cost anymore
Then after they thinned themselves out, they'll find peace and start rebuilding

I think we should just build up central government of the region, then just leave.

a central government

They got to trump too

Tried that with Iraq already

Ugh... brain hurts. Want to help others, but don't want to bring more pain to our citizens.

I want to fix America's fuck ups.

But how can we do that when if leaving means throwing a whole region in chaos.

Its not that they "got to Trump" Zutt

Its that Trump knows that the arms industry is rooted too deep in the American economy, they simply need the cash-flow

Like when he run for pres. Tump said he will pull out from Afghanistan

Now

Carter already got us in trouble with the middle east when he started meddling

He increased boots on the ground

The region is already thrown into chaos Dusty

Best thing we can do is work on us and be an example

Carter has and always be considered one of the worst presidents.

Him and Obama.

sorry pal, Bush

Carter wasnt so bad

Most presidents over the last few decades suck

Well true, Bush too.

And obama was fixing bushes mess

Bush, Bush, Obama, Carter

Those are the bad ones in recent history

from bad to okay-ish

Bush Senior was actually smart about doing thing.

But it was mostly on war.

yeah, so smart he lied to america

and it cost him his second term

giving it to CLINTON

Bush senior lied

It was Bush Jr. who decided to finish his daddy's war.

Still fucked us on dragging us into the middle east though

About gulf war

Lel

lied on taxes too

He made the whole thing up

Lmao

Bush Senior started the gulf war,
Lied to Americans about taxes,
Ruined Reaganomics,
Ruined the faith in the republicans so much that Clinton got elected instead

and he hated broccoli

Oh in a good ironic twist.

The whole reason for going into iraq was made up

THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE

Syria drawing in Russia... means they are in for a long and costly war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQmTeVf2nJ8

We pull out of Syria and leave it to them... we would allow Russia to drain their own resources.

no

cuz Russia doesn't care much for human rights

they'd just shoot anyone who doesn't surrender

I think the reason Obama stayed in Syria was to slow drain Russia who was involved.

and be done with it

If you fucked off from syria and stopped sending weapons to islamists

Would be long over

Maybe that is the reason we stayed in Syria.

no

Continuation of the Cold War.

the reason for staying is to keep the war going

so you can keep selling weapons

Same thing that happen in Afghanstan.

Its about weapon selling

And no dusty

You stayed in syria because of saudis

We all don't really know what is going on, we don't have the information like the president does.

you need war to sell weapons in bulk,

America earns big money by selling their old weapons

They want pipeline

oil

To undercut russian oil

I think we all are just doing educated guesses.

follow the money

And Russians dont want that

Hence they are there for assad

I think most of the actions in Syria was based around our opposition to Russia.

So the pipeline doesn't happen

No

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Your actions were based in serving corporate interests

Russia only became part of it to help keep Assads regieme standing against ISIS and other rebels

Not your citizens dusty

if ISIS and the rebels werent funded and armed by the west, Syria wouldn't have had a civil war

Your taxes are beeing siphoned out there

Well I do want a end to wars... but I don't want to cause a region to get 10x worse than it is now.

Definitely with them having nuclear missiles in the region.

It will not

Can't get much worse

they don't have nukes

Understand

Thanks pakistan and Isreal.

Yes there is nukes.

Usa are the destabilising factor

Always were

the civil war states don't have nukes

Yeah.... but region exploding will eventually end up in the nuclear states back yards.

good

have them kill each other

Pakistan is owned by china now btw

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Israel having nukes, you know they are going to head directly to Israel in a holy war.

Israel is jews, they wont have holy wars

they just have more sheckles

Islamist want to drive Jews out of the region, kill them all off.

Israel would eventually use the nukes, you know they will.

Islamists want anyone not in the same branch of islam dead

no they wouldn't

I actually wonder about that dusty

the Israeli would just sit back

and have the Islamists kill each other

You want to bet, they did attack one of our ships just to get us to attack Iraq.

making thmselves so weak

They are not above using any weapon they have.

Any asset.

Islamists dont care about Israel as much

you realise that using NUKES would attract the attention of every other country in the world right?

They have manipulated us into wars before.

Yes I do, that would then drag the world into the conflict once again.

But deadlier.

USA wouldn't defend them, Russia would condemn it, China would condemn it, EU would pussy out

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Drag them into conflict, by nuking a few goatfuckers on a truck with 3 wheels or less

have you heard yourself man?

The use of nukes, is bad in all situations.

And yes they would, if their nation is threaten.

If israel is on the verge of defeat, it would use nukes.

threatened by a few people in trucks, with less ammo than bolts on them

Israel can mop the floor with the entire region military-wise

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Pretty much

they just dont cuz they'd earn the anger of the west that supports them