wow wtf the guardian blocked it

do you mean the guardian?

Yes,

DUDE WTF

To hell with the guardian.

the guardian of left-wing ideals

I watched it a few hours ago holy shit man

yeah guardian is def left

Communism really is back.

the video is def fair use though

Indeed.

Anyone think Communism and Anarcho Communism is just the same thing

it is not

It is

It si.

is

DEBATE TIME

Is it?

Yea

Anarcho communism is small scale

every group for itself

normal communism is world-wide, Everyone is part of the same community

Yes and no.

Communism means no state, no class

Communisms "end state" is Anarcho Communisms ideal.

Communism is the end state mate

I studied this thing a while ago.

Shiv: Stop saying stuff I was gonna say.

WE ARE THE SAME

@Deleted User Yeah i agree with you.

They're the same thing.

Technically anarcy is the end goal of communism .

Yes.

In essence, Countries like soviet Russia is Stalinism

The idea is pure and simple, but human are anything but.

Communism + State

Socialism + state.

Anarchy, in it's roots, is no force upon anyone esle.

@Dennafen Socialism has state though

Will never work.

An important difference between anarchist communism and Marxist communism is who the product of the worker's labor belongs to as both of the ideologies believe that the product of labor does not belong to the capitalist due to it being produced by the worker and not the employer. However, there are slight differences between the opinions taken by Peter Kropotkin and Karl Marx, with Marx stating that product of the worker's labor belongs to the worker due to it being produced by the worker. In his book The Conquest of Bread, Kropotkin believes that the product of the worker's labor belongs to the community and argues that this should be the case due to the worker needing more than just what he produces and what the worker needs should be equally counted as a means of production.

tl; dr

Socialism is where the state owns the means of production

@Deleted User Sorry Socialism + Dictator

Yea

Sorry

tl dr

anarcho Communism, everyone owns the means of production

normal communism, the workers own the means of production

Woz

In communism

You are a worker or a corpse

Hey shiv

did you rad Leviathan (Hobbes book)?

No, I haven't

I'll check it out!

It is an explaination of why we need a government

but

here is a big butt

he defends monarchy

Yeah, it's it's alright

No @Dr.Wol the people own the means of production.

No the workers.

There is a good quote

Ive always wanted a proper justification for monarchism

and in both it is the community that should benefit.

"The biggest enemy of democracy is a kind monarch"

"From each according to their ability to each according to their need"

And all

In communism you are a worker, or a parasite on society

And no one likes parasites

"You are either with us or you are the terrorist." G.W. Bush

Military industrial complex.

Can we copystrike @Deleted User ?

Likes parasites.

@Uksio why man

Dude, Dennafen

It's a meme

I'm a nice girl

@Dennafen in Communism, there is only workers, cuz the bourgoise is gone

Ye

I know things about the inteligence community

So it's literally the same thing

Shiv you're not nice, you're constantly yelling at people

Yes

me in particular 😦

Communism is impossible, same with anarchy

I know the real history of the BND

I'm the best nice

makes me a saad panda

@Dr.Wol There is only the proletariat not necessarily workers.

The nicest nice person

Shiv: Nice.

Yes

@Dennafen who do you think the proletariat is comprised of?

Good boi

Wait, @LunaticHell the german police called BND?

Ily

The german secret service, yes.

Wasn't that SS

Definition of proletariat
1 : the laboring class; especially : the class of industrial workers who lack their own means of production and hence sell their labor to live

@Dr.Wol proles from 1984 got it

Also I know you from another chat, @LunaticHell

IRC