Its what all this was all about from the start

i dont think it was the developers intention of we happy few, to create a message that other people did see in it, of a UK tolerence dystopia run by the gay agenda?

And are there games that manage to pull it off?

i doubt they are that woke

That's applicability and interpretation

They see current society as imperfect and the idea was to influence it through messaging in cultural products

This is why literary works are viewed both in the context they were written and as personal experiences

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So heres the thing, I think everyones getting a different idea here

Whats a good game that fits that criteria?

No games are good. If you think otherwise you are a casul.

What's the actual criteria?

A propaganda game thats somehow good

America's Army

In that game, you always see the enemy as terrorists.

incompetence in unintentional propaganda could be in GTA, where doing crime is all the game is about, but doing crime is also what the game punishes you for (like when you shoot people, the game gets harder for a while till you lose the cops)
this sends the message that fictional crime is exiting and fun
this sends the message that you shouldnt commit fictional crime

Call of Duty portrays US soldiers in positive light. Pretty sure that's propaganda to some.

Funny, that Ghost in the shell game does the same

America's Army is a deliberate recruitment tool

GitS is not

No, Im wondering why in Gits its done

It makes the game harder when you cant tell whos what class

Americans Army was a legit fun game and is full on propaganda

maybe mass effect 1 and 2 are good propaganda games

Because it makes IFF easy

literally funded by the us army

with their renegade and the blue one systems

Mass Effect is not propaganda lol

paragon?

yes

paragon and renegade

I dont think propaganda is expecting the player to choose.

Since in ME paragon and renegade comes with their own rewards

And whether or not they are worth it is subjective

it encourages you to apply a (temporary or honest) morality system in a fictional world to see how it works out

You appear to be taking any sort of interpretation one can make regarding a game and then calling it propaganda

Which is not useful

The later ME games had some shit in them I would call minor propaganda

Which is why I suggested it this way.

unintentional

Imo the ass creed american revolution edition was propagandist as fuck

Okay you know what game I was gonna put forward as "propaganda"?

A) that's not a thing
B) you undermine the actual term by misusing it

Or propagandaistic?

you could say any game with a morality system is propaganda then.

Oh, I thought of a good game that is propaganda: Genital Jousting

Any game that does not have morality choices

Not even joking, gimme a second

And pushes the idea that the character is you.

i cant think of a word, its a motorized vehicle but with only 2 wheels

better not use the term motorized vehicle though, im undermining the term

http://freelives.net/the-many-questions-of-genital-jousting/
```we like to think of the game as a trojan horse - a way to deliver a sex positive message to an audience that might never get to hear it otherwise. We have feelings to explore, and things to say, and by wrapping them in a big joke, we're hoping to sneak some of our ideas past the watchful gaze of unsuspecting cis-het dudes.```

You'd better call it a car because that's easier

That sounds like propaganda to me

Or a helicopter

with 2 wheels it would be a motorcycle i think

i could be wrong

Thatathejoke

You wouldn't call a motorcycle a car

So don't call games with thematic components propaganda

i am looking for a word, its like a motorcycle, but it has 4 wheels and puts you into a giant metal and glass container to carry you around in

better not use the term motorcycle though, might undermine the term

Yes, don't.

Are you playing limbo with the point right now?

hold on

Use your words to describe the concept if no word exists specifically to describe it. We have a robust language, so use it to its fullest extent.

good lord this is stupid, I'm done here and going to ~~kill some villain in a game~~ subject myself to propaganda

doesn't something being unintentional mean it cannot be propaganda? as part of the definition of propaganda is that it is done intentionally.

Yes

But Genital Jousting is propaganda for sure.
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Genital Jousting is largely about disarming masculinity. In a patriarchal society, penises are associated with power. They are considered the dominant sexual organ. But in Genital Jousting, they are often the butt of the joke```

That's what I've been saying, @Grenade123

unintentionally intentional

I make funny penis game heehee to save the world from toxic masculinity

you can start with term A, which has mandetory connotations 1 and 2 and 3, and say that in stead of connotation 2 you actually mean connotation 2*, which changes term A to what you do mean, without damaging anything about term A, as you just tried to describe a word you didnt know a word for

however, if someone is so brand-washed, all they know is propaganda, can they make propaganda without intentionally meaning to do so?

You can't use the antithesis of a thing to directly describe a thing

No, propaganda is planned

You can make biased trash

they would be spreading propaganda, but not making it then

how inflexible of you

But propaganda is a *specific* thing, and we have many words to describe things that are not propaganda

excuse you, your opinion is unintentional propaganda, cease and desist

here i am trying to describe something, and you claim im sabotaging word meanings, how rude

im off to go sabotage words now

I've explained how you can correctly describe it

leme just get me verbal TNT

Rather than calling every game with a plot propaganda

and my literary gun

to execute some mother fucking words right in there god damn mouths the pieces of shit

that will show you

Are you going to commit some peaceful terrorism?

being used where you are not the exact thing you meant but with additional descriptors to do mean what i wanted to say

hehehe

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth what are you trying to describe that you have categorized as "unintentional propaganda" I see you mentioned We Happy Few and people taking it as "UK tolerence dystopia run by the gay agenda" which was most likely not the intent.

so people created a meme, a piece of propaganda, because they interpreted something in we happy few which likely was not intended (i dont know how woke the devs are)

Is Mario unintentional propaganda because Sarkeesian interprets it as forwarding the idea that women are damsels in distress?

yes

So then every game is unintentional propaganda because people can make any interpretation.

mario could be unintentional propaganda for lizards cucking you with a princess, like loping seems to think

literally any interpretation