big oil is a single corporation?

you just listed industries

Some pharmaceutical companies

on drugs that only they make

maerkets whre thre is only comcast

AS IF there arent smaller businesses in those industries lol

I thought big oil was a giant man made of oil

Poptarts, you're dismissing what are potentially valid counter-arguments on technicalities

again..... you cannot prescribe this an effect of capitalism bcuz of all the lobbying and privileges that corps like comcast get unfairly from the government .... thats an effect corporate welfare youre describing

do you think water should be privatized?

the telecom industry is SO heavily regulated by the govt that you cannot point to how it appears today as a phenomonen of capitalism bcuz its not

Technically, water is already privatized in some areas

chicken and egg right? they only get privileges from govt after they got huge. even without govt inteference the barrier to entry in building a telecom network is massive. early adoper / network effects wins

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you really need to think thru this stuff.... if invent some device that synthesises water, or of i go off an invest TONS of money to purify say SEA WATER..... of course that would be my private property

not to mention that you already BUY water in one way or another

bottled water

nobody would be entitled to take pure water from that that i have created with my own labor

and the "public" water system of course... tap water, etc

as if you dont already have to buy it!

purifying sea water makes the water yours? who did you buy the sea water from?

we also have the whole "raw water" thing

nobody owned the sea water to begin with ... it was a raw material that was transformed and i added value to it

value is added by the market though

the real question is .... what claim would anybody else have on sea water that i have purified?

Nobody technically owns any water. What you're paying for is the ease with which you can get the water, due to plumbing, pumps, etc.

so if you took raw sea water, bottled it, and called it "authentic indian ocean water, not for drinking" and could sell it

that would be yours?

i believe that if you can produce your own water, like powering your home yourself. it is effectively yours

your body is something like 80% water

ownership is an agreement,

If i pulled a gun and just took what you have, you wouldn't own it anymore 😛

if you dont own that water, who does?

my body, my water

Yeah, but the water in your body gets cycled in and out as you consume more and then go to the bathroom

so if I grab a bottle of your water and drink it without paying for it, I don't owe you anything

It's not the same water in you from birth to death

because it's my water now

but we're not talking about the water in your body

that would be stealing.... if i purified shit water .... bottled it, and you stole it... ya that would be stealing..... ? lol

Poptarts brought it up

to avoid getting too theoretical, here's a good concrete example:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/nestl%C3%A9-faces-renewed-criticism-as-b-c-drought-continues-1.3145929

somebody else started asking about "privatizing" water .... AS IF ppl dont own their own bottles of water!! LOL

Yeah, but what you own is the bottle, not the water

as if ppl dont *already* own ... etc

You drink the water, you piss it out

Nestle bottling groundwater that it does not pay for and then selling it

lol says who?

thats not true at all

of course you own the water within the bottle

So you're saying that your body has retained *every single drop* of water you've ever consumed

the question is not "is it possible to own water"

no, i have never said that at all

Then how can you own water?

it is impossible to own water

looks... .the water in your fridge or my giant water bottles is PRIVATE

facts

nobody can lawfully take that from me ... its private property already

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/12/27/573774328/california-says-nestle-lacks-permits-to-extract-millions-of-gallons-of-water

Ok so this isnt water but i talked to a guy who has placed solar panels on his home and his home has effectively become a power station, in exchange for providing power to his neighborhood he gets tax cuts and the major power company has to pay HIM for his provision of power or something like that, he didnt give me details.

i told you guys, Ownership is an agreement,

If someone disagrees, then you have to either claim it through sovereign right, or release ownership

the state is meant to protect your right to private property (police)

ive heard about that, Lago

so let's say you pour your water into a bowl and it evaporates. who do you sue?

its impossible to own a bowl

no, you dont need somebody else permission to create your own property/value with your own labor

I said "a bowl," I didn't imply you owned the bowl

it doesnt depend on the agreement of others for you to exercise absolute property rights

property rights come from God?

see Poptarts the issue is there's no cosmic property registry that tracks ownership of everything

its impossible to own god

nobody, hearts... nobody stole it from me... it evaporated bcuz of poor management

so obviously jsut gets diluted back into the environment

You can create resources, you can't Own them unless you lay claim to it

I can take it from you, if i take it you don't own it anymore

its impossible to steal

for anybody to extract again and use

so it becomes ownerless then

you can't own what you create unless you enforce your claim on it

have you ever seen There Will Be Blood?

"I drink your milkshake" etc

But the thing is he OWNs the solar panels and thus the power station that his home has effectively become, it is not controlled by the government but by agreeing with the government to use his panels to provide power in the area he gains benefits from it. I dont know if this is something he HAS to do or he has a choice though.

i prefered the more accurate, Its Impossible For There To Be Blood

There will be blood Maybe

Nobody Can Own Blood

pretty sure i "own" my blood

Nobody can own nothing, but at the same time, nobody can own anything

We have officially proven that ownership is a social construct

congratulations

lol

nobody said there needs to be a "cosmic property registry" in order to have private property rights

where the commies right lol

you said property ownership is absolute

me ni🅱🅱as

its possible to own stuff, calm down

who owns Palestine?

depends who you ask

the jews do, sooner or later

Asking the BIG questions lol

maybe that example was too controversial

Who owns the Earth?

did you know all the land in the British commonwealth is technically owned by the Royal Family?