Pewdiepie for CEO of youtube

theres never really been a pure capitalist state

@Dr.Wol doesn't that kind of prove that companies have an incentive to put out good products?

A monkey on a typewriter would do a better job as CEO of YouTube tbh

it doesnt Dan,
Thats why everything is made in China

even in americas earliest we had veterine assistance

America actively cucks small business and the average person in favour of corporations

Just because it's made in China doesn't mean it's bad quality

People want something,

You either give them quality and a high price
Or crappy and a low price

Point is, they'll buy it

And if you don't sell, they'll find someone who will

i agree with that beemann

and i know China doesnt just sell crapware,

But its still the stereotype 😉 "Made in <Asian Country>" is crappy

earlier i was gonna kinda make an argument about how a bussiness cant really poison people lethally by stating that no bussiness can survive backlash of lethal proporations but then i remembered the ford pinto

Probably a higher statistical chance that you get a lesser quality product from Asia

the pinto was ford right?

what about the rat-poison industry Arch? 😛

But Apple manufactures in China

Yeah, Pinto was Ford

that car exploded

thats not poison thats straight up booby-trapping

Maybe theres a way to hold the people related to the design of the Pinto criminally liable?

thats already done

happened in the 80s

I feel like that's incentive enough to not make something that will kill people unintentionally

Not to mention reputation and legal costs to the company

but thats sort of why we have consumer protection because im not sure the market reaction to the pinto was really addiquite to just how bad it was. sure ford stopped selling it because obviously, but that doesent mean they learned their lessen from market reaction alone

i'm a little late now since i had to go to a meeting, but its important to point out that technically, in the US, everything is a lawsuit. Even criminal charges are technically defined as "The people of <state, city, US, etc> vs the offending party". The difference is who is bringing the charges, and what level of punishment can be brought.

and even certain things that are illegal, require a private entity to initiate.

like assault, or trespassing

hence the term "to press charges"

its true,

If you don't press charges, the fellon can go free

Not can, but will

thats kinda why the ancap argument for a free market will regulate itself doesent really take into consiteration bussinesses big enough make even honest mistakes that kill people.

I remember the jokes about how litigious the US is

What changed?

@Arch-Fiend technically that would violate nap, and accounts for people suing businesses

id prefer corporations to worry at all times that a mistake that can leave people dead will hurt them badly enough they need to always be careful

i believe most ancaps still believe in civil suites

suing the bussiness in what court exactly?

its just not the state being the third party, but another private entity

Actually not ancaps. More like libertarians

what state enforces that?

people

Libertarians belive in a govt as well.

yeah it doesent work that way

the court of people are the same people who wont buy anything from the company again and thats what all the people can really do to it, if they even have the option to not buy its products.

you need a monopoly on violence in order to prevent a civil case from becoming a war

yes

You will still need some very powerful entity to enforce them

the Ancap that deals in robot soldier manufacturing doesnt have to honor the lawsuit 😛

if you violate NAP, you are not protected by it

or their employees double as soldiers

not following through with the results of arbitration can be viewed as an action of aggression

therefore, society will approve of punishment within reason

i.e. take money by force if arbitration determines you are owed it

i believe this is how it goes

trust me, the logic really doesn't hold

but they try

the closest they get to consistent logic is they want city-state sized governments

unfortunately the nap has less influince than self preservation of everyone who relys on a centralized economy. if you own a massive bussiness that employs thousands of people and anyone else trys to harm you and you have a decent relationship with those employees and theres no state and threatening you threatens their livelyhood then the nap is a constitution writen on tissue paper and is just as binding

because thats not "a government" its "a community"

Ancaps just want small scale countries they figure they'd rule

american corporatism is kinda the modern one where government and bussiness are not one in the same but they both work together against the people

its not quite as bad here as it is in europe though

though you can kind of point at anything now and say its not as bad here as in europe

Yeah I've never been a big fan of "we're not as bad as", especially when it comes to freedom

I'd much rather live in a free country than a "more free than" country. The bar will always get lower somewhere

its not really a defense, its an expression of gratefulness

I think the validity of that also depends on your frame of reference

wlat if your country was mroe free than America? 😉

If I was fine before and I'm getting slapped across the face now, I won't thank my assailant for using an open hand instead of a closed fist

its not that i dont want to be better off, make america great again. but at the same time i think im allowed to be grateful i dont have to start 10 leagues lower in the pit when im trying to climb to a better country

but things only went up in america

Sure, I just think it's important to keep that distinction in mind

Not really. Erosion of rights has been the name of the game for the past 100+ years

well i meant in the last 2 years 😛

Erosion of society went down for the last 50 years now

I mean, pretty much all the same restrictions are still there

And we're obviously no better up north, despite growing resentment towards Trudeau and SocJus

i think the actual spirit of maga isint that america use to be better, though it kinda was at certain times, i think the spirit of maga is that we shouldent stop trying to make america better, where i think since the 70s we kinda did, or we focused making america better only in a social aspect (which is subjective) and neglected other angles

nah we've gotten more free over the decades since 1900, but since 1988 its been going downhill

Rights have been getting "reinterpreted" since the early 20th, with only a few fixes along the way

2A being the biggest and most obvious example, but one of many

2A?

2nd Amendment?

2nd Amendment

im not sure how exactly pre 1900 was less free

Neither am I

civil rights,

I don't recall gay marriage etc being freely allowed in those days

In 46, in TN, locals overthrew a corrupt Mayor and Sheriff with Thompson SMGs and M1 Garands

civil rights isint about freedom

the civil rights act might not be

In the 60s through to to 80s, ownership was restricted for automatic firearms, despite them being allowable constututionally

but civil rights as a concept are

Civil rights are an aspect of equality, which doesn't always go hand in hand with freedom

gay marriage i guess is a freedom though really its just the state giving you marraige rights when your gay. though you wernt prevented from calling yourselves married

i dont actually consiter marraige rights a freedom either

Civil rights are an aspect of freedom, if that freedom is granted to all parties,

The only case when its not anymore, is when the state says "Your freedoms must be infringed so that X's freedoms can be given"

its more of a privilage at best and a legal leverage agaisnt another person at worst

and I agree, 2nd amendment infringement is disgusting

People think that just because the tools change, the laws should follow with