though you can kind of point at anything now and say its not as bad here as in europe

Yeah I've never been a big fan of "we're not as bad as", especially when it comes to freedom

I'd much rather live in a free country than a "more free than" country. The bar will always get lower somewhere

its not really a defense, its an expression of gratefulness

I think the validity of that also depends on your frame of reference

wlat if your country was mroe free than America? 😉

If I was fine before and I'm getting slapped across the face now, I won't thank my assailant for using an open hand instead of a closed fist

its not that i dont want to be better off, make america great again. but at the same time i think im allowed to be grateful i dont have to start 10 leagues lower in the pit when im trying to climb to a better country

but things only went up in america

Sure, I just think it's important to keep that distinction in mind

Not really. Erosion of rights has been the name of the game for the past 100+ years

well i meant in the last 2 years 😛

Erosion of society went down for the last 50 years now

I mean, pretty much all the same restrictions are still there

And we're obviously no better up north, despite growing resentment towards Trudeau and SocJus

i think the actual spirit of maga isint that america use to be better, though it kinda was at certain times, i think the spirit of maga is that we shouldent stop trying to make america better, where i think since the 70s we kinda did, or we focused making america better only in a social aspect (which is subjective) and neglected other angles

nah we've gotten more free over the decades since 1900, but since 1988 its been going downhill

Rights have been getting "reinterpreted" since the early 20th, with only a few fixes along the way

2A being the biggest and most obvious example, but one of many

2A?

2nd Amendment?

2nd Amendment

im not sure how exactly pre 1900 was less free

Neither am I

civil rights,

I don't recall gay marriage etc being freely allowed in those days

In 46, in TN, locals overthrew a corrupt Mayor and Sheriff with Thompson SMGs and M1 Garands

civil rights isint about freedom

the civil rights act might not be

In the 60s through to to 80s, ownership was restricted for automatic firearms, despite them being allowable constututionally

but civil rights as a concept are

Civil rights are an aspect of equality, which doesn't always go hand in hand with freedom

gay marriage i guess is a freedom though really its just the state giving you marraige rights when your gay. though you wernt prevented from calling yourselves married

i dont actually consiter marraige rights a freedom either

Civil rights are an aspect of freedom, if that freedom is granted to all parties,

The only case when its not anymore, is when the state says "Your freedoms must be infringed so that X's freedoms can be given"

its more of a privilage at best and a legal leverage agaisnt another person at worst

and I agree, 2nd amendment infringement is disgusting

People think that just because the tools change, the laws should follow with

really civil rights was about getting the right to vote, which is not to say that no one who was affected by civil rights couldent vote before, it was more that they could be denied the vote whenever they had the oppertunity by the people holding the election polls

what civil rights did was change the rules of the right to vote so that it could not be ambigious and covered most people so that if they were ever denied by someone they had legal president to leverage against anyone preventing them

thats only the civil rights act of 1964

the abolishment of slavery and the amnisty of slaves in the united states happened during the 1800s